Tuesday, November 16, 2010

Wiltshire, Not quite the holy grail




























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WRITTEN QUESTION TO THE MINISTER FOR HOME AFFAIRS 

BY THE DEPUTY OF ST. MARY 

ANSWER TO BE TABLED ON TUESDAY 16th NOVEMBER 2010 

 

Question 

 

In the light of the Chief Minister’s statement that he believes that the findings of the Wiltshire 

Report fully endorse the decision to suspend the previous Chief Officer of Police, can the 

Minister: 

 

(a) provide members with the press statements released by the States of Jersey Police relating 

to any one of the major elements disputed during the Haut de la Garenne inquiry, in order, 

and the full recordings of audio and video interviews? 

 

(b) provide members with the 93 page statement provided by the former Chief of Police to the 

Wiltshire inquiry? 

 

(c) supply evidence for the assertion that ACPO had a “policy of only making 

recommendations to which [the then Chief Officer and Deputy Chief Officer of Police] had signalled prior approval? 

 

(d) provide a full and proper audit trail of the emails concerning the finds JAR/6 and SLJ/1? 

 

(e) provide members with the final version of the Wiltshire Report, redacted as necessary but 

with as much as possible of the missing 270 pages, which the Minister promised to issue to me by “early September” in his email of 3rd August 2010? 



Answer 

 

(a)  I have previously indicated to the Deputy of St Mary that I am not going to do this.  The 

press statements are in the public domain and the Deputy of St Mary should do his own research. 

 

(b)  I would only do this if asked so to do by the previous Chief Officer and even then the 

statement would need to be redacted to remove reference to individuals who are not public facing. 

 

(c)  I have previously indicated that I will not be releasing the statements of witnesses who were interviewed by the Wiltshire Police or other evidence. 

 

(d)  I do not understand what is meant by “audit trails of e-mails”.  However, this appears to also be referring to statements or other evidence. 

 

(e)  I have planned to do this but the task is extensive and has been delayed by work on the 

CSR process and by other work pressures upon the individuals who are completing the 

redaction process on my behalf.  I have reminded them of this task and will continue to do 

so.  The date of September 2010 was the date given to me but has proved to be 

unachievable. 


IF  Wiltshire is the HOLY GRAIL for ILM & TLS they seem a bit shy on releasing certain parts of it.



WRITTEN QUESTION TO THE CHIEF MINISTER 

BY THE DEPUTY OF ST. MARY 

ANSWER TO BE TABLED ON TUESDAY 16th NOVEMBER 2010 

 

Question 

 

Given that the Napier Report states (paragraph 32) “Reports from that group (the Gold Group, on 

which the Chief Executive to the Council of Ministers had his own representative) tended to 

indicate that there had been serious failings in the investigation carried out under the direction of 

(the then Deputy Chief Officer of the States of Jersey Police)”, can the Chief Minister inform 

members who that representative was and further provide members with any evidence of the 

reports mentioned in this paragraph? 

 

 

Answer 

 

The representative of the Chief Minister’s Department on the Gold Group was the Assistant Chief 

Executive. 

 

The Gold Group, which was established by the Deputy Chief Officer of the States of Jersey 

Police, received internal reports on the progress of the investigation as part of its role. 

 ********


 Who was the Deputy Chief Officer?  Not the one who handled the Napier Report I hope?




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WRITTEN QUESTION TO THE CHIEF MINISTER 

BY THE DEPUTY OF ST. MARY 

ANSWER TO BE TABLED ON TUESDAY 16th NOVEMBER 2010 

 

Question 

 

Can the Chief Minister explain the inconsistencies between his written answer on 2nd November 

2010, in which he stated that there were no notes taken at an informal meeting held on 7th March 

2008 when the Home Affairs Minister invited the Chief Minister and Chief Executive to meet 

two ACPO officers who were undertaking the review of the Police investigation, and the second 

ACPO report which states in Paragraph 4 that the said meeting had been convened at the request 

of the then Chief Minister and a written record of the meeting was available”? 

 

 

Answer 

 

The first question on 2nd November was addressed to me as Chief Minister and the answer I gave 

was from the perspective of the Chief Minister and the Chief Minister’s department. I cannot 

speak on behalf of the States of Jersey Police or, the previous Home Affairs Minister. 

 

I cannot explain the inconsistency described by the Deputy as I have not seen the first or second 

ACPO report to which he refers.  

 



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WRITTEN QUESTION TO THE CHIEF MINISTER 

BY THE DEPUTY OF ST. MARY 

ANSWER TO BE TABLED ON TUESDAY 16th NOVEMBER 2010 

 

Question 

 

Does the Chief Minister accept in full the findings and conclusions of the Napier report which he 

commissioned and, if not, would he set out in detail the specific elements which he does not 

accept? 

 

 

Answer 

 

Mr. Napier was commissioned to produce an independent report that looked into the suspension 

process in relation to the former Chief Officer of the States of Jersey Police.   

 

I have accepted the Report as its stands in that it is a comprehensive review of the procedure 

followed regarding the suspension of the former Chief Officer of Police. The conclusions and 

recommendations are those of Mr. Brian Napier QC, who is an eminent professional in 

Employment Law matters.   

 

In his report, Mr. Napier points to several procedural issues in the suspension process that in his 

view had certain shortcomings.  These have now been addressed and I believe that the report has 

served its purpose and met the Terms of Reference in identifying where there were any failures in 

the process. 

 

 


I wanted these answers up so they can be looked and digested. One would hope that Tonys Musings would cast his eye over them and play Devils Advocate


RS


I have always said keep them talking 


This blog is dedicated to Andy James who agrees with me that we are run by clowns... More on that at a latter date


rs

39 comments:

Anonymous said...

Who the hell is Andy James?

Anonymous said...

Rico, do you know roughly how long in advance of having to answer them Le Sueur is given these written questions?

has-the-question-been-answered said...

[Does the Chief Minister accept in full the findings and conclusions of the Napier report which he commissioned and, if not, would he set out in detail the specific elements which he does not accept?]

Easy one, he totally avoided answering the question.

has-the-question-been-asked said...

1) Mr. Napier was commissioned to produce an independent report that looked into the suspension process in relation to the former Chief Officer of the States of Jersey Police.

Comment: Yes, we know that!

2) I have accepted the Report as its stands in that it is a comprehensive review of the procedure followed regarding the suspension of the former Chief Officer of Police.

Comment: Yes, we know that too, but what about accepting the findings, that's still the question.

3) The conclusions and recommendations are those of Mr. Brian Napier QC, who is an eminent professional in Employment Law matters.

Comment: Yes we know, that is why he was appointed, but what about the findings?


4) In his report, Mr. Napier points to several procedural issues in the suspension process that in his view had certain shortcomings.

Comment:Yes, we've all read it, we all know what they are, but the question, do you accept his findings?

5) These have now been addressed and I believe that the report has served its purpose and met the Terms of Reference in identifying where there were any failures in the process.

Comment: Have they, which ones?, but what about the question, do you accept in full the findings, I still do not know the answer. When will you start answering the questions instead of waffling on about things I did not ask you!!

Anonymous said...

For TLS to say that he doesnot understand part d of the question is a classic "Im bo###cked" answer.
And as for his bumbling twoddle for answers to oral questions 3 & 4 again classic "Im bo###cked".

Do hope its recorded TJW?

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

I knew Deputy Wimberley would be refused "evidence" of JAR/6 (child's skull) As you will know, I have been repeatedly asking for this over a matter of months and ILM has repeatedly denied me this evidence.

If it was indeed Coconut I'm sure ILM would have been jumping from the rooftops showing everybody the "evidence" Just like he did with the Wiltshire Report (the prosecution case against Graham Power QPM).

Home Affairs Minister Ian Le Marquand, it appears has ducked just about every other question asked by D.W. as did Chief Minister Terry Le Sueur.

These guys just have no idea as to how exposed they are.

Ian Evans said...

Le Sewer LIVES UP TO his name.

rico sorda said...

So here we are again.

Just look at some of these answers

I have been asked why I bother and how nothing will come of what I do this comment was left by the troll so wasn't published. I always ask myself these questions so don't mind covering it. I do what I do because I believe I was brought up right and don't like injustice. I have always called it how I've seen it, this is backed up with evidence, facts & research, so it kills me when I see what is going on over here.

It is really hard work doing this blog. Finding the time is a nightmare and there has been many a time when I have said enough is enough, nothing will change, why do you bother but if you believe in what you are doing and the evidence backs you up and the local media are sucking on the establishment teat, what is one meant to do.

What is happening over here is both shocking and very scary its like the old guard fighting their final battle. The internet is having a huge effect on the establishment without it this would have been buried a very long time ago.

What people don't understand is the emotional side of blogging. Its not just about posting and calling someone a clown its about researching and investigating and then wanting to smash your head against a wall because the local media so fu*king useless and passive, in fact, they disgust me and are an enemy of the good people of Jersey.

I do wish sometimes that I was just a blog reader and not a blog poster but then again I think I was made for it and the reason being I have a very thick skin.

The Farce Blog had a bloody good go and bringing me down. They attacked me for fighting for Abuse Victims, and pulling the politicians up who were responsible for the cover-up. They even started trying to scare me off by threatening my job online and then they crossed the line but thats for another blog.

Im drained, tired and, have information overload but the fight goes on

Some very unfortunate people got mentally and physically Abused for them the fight goes on.

We will find the truth

rs

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

"We will find the truth". We bl--dy well have found and exposed the truth! But it's as you say our "accredited" media lets the people of Jersey down. Do you think they will be reporting on all Terry Le Sueur's contradictions today and every other day? Will the "accredited" media report that there is no "evidence" to prove that JAR/6 is Coconut? Will they report that Terry Le Sueur has said Graham Power is innocent, but still doesn't think he deserves an apology?.

It's the "accredited" media that have allowed all this lawlessness to carry on and it's a result of this that so many Jersey Blogs exist, with more rumoured to be starting up!

questions-to-be-asked said...

So who told the Chief Minister that no notes were taken at that meeting, when clearly they were?

Anonymous said...

Rico

Who was the deputy Chief Executive sitting on the Gold Group?



The representative of the Chief Minister’s Department on the Gold Group was the Assistant Chief Executive.

The Gold Group, which was established by the Deputy Chief Officer of the States of Jersey Police, received internal reports on the progress of the investigation as part of its role.


Someone told me it was John Richardson now that cant be true because he was the one handling the Napier Report and would be conflicted? do we know who it was.
***

GeeGee said...

Rico - like you what I abhor more than anything is injustice and untruths, even more so when it emanates from the mouths of those in charge of this Islands 'well being!' and best interests.

It is ironic that the day before Stuart Syvret is due to hear his fate for being honest, and no doubt as a result of his disclosures about child abuse and other matters, we have 2 people in the Royal Court charged with abuse at Haut de la Garenne. These very people are there as a result of the work and investigations of Lenny Harper and Graham Power, two good men who have been villified and had their reputations dragged through the mud, and yes, no apology.

How sickening is that?

I have children and grandchildren and if anybody ever dared abuse them either physically or in any other way I hate to think what I would do. Hence the reason I feel for those who have suffered, not only in care but any environment, had no-one to look out or care for them, no-one to turn to or listen, no-one to kiss and hug them.

It is emotionally draining, but I know that you Rico, and VFC will NOT give up in spite and despite. You may be,and need to be thick skinned, but above all you have consciences.

Anonymous said...

Definately John Richardson. Because he has been Assistant Chief Executive for nearly two years now.

Well and truely conflicted!

Anonymous said...

States Deputy Chief Executive appointed

The Chief Officer for Transport and Technical Services, John Richardson, has been appointed to the n...
28 January 2009

The Chief Officer for Transport and Technical Services, John Richardson, has been appointed to the new role of Deputy Chief Executive for the States, which he will take up in the spring.

The States agreed to fund this position during its debate on the business plan for 2009, as a way to bring together all the States central resources under the control of one senior officer.

This process of centralising resources began in 2004 when the States approved a change programme designed to reduce costs by some 20%. Those savings targets have been delivered, and now the next step is to bring Human Resources, Information Services, corporate software systems and Property together into a common function.

In his new post Mr Richardson will spearhead the commitment to savings by driving forward a closer working relationship between all the organisation’s support services.

The Chief Executive, Bill Ogley, said: “This is an investment in the efficient running of an increasingly complex organisation. John will be responsible for making savings and improvements across the public sector, and his long experience within the States will be invaluable when working to improve its administration and performance.”

The Chief Minister, Senator Terry Le Sueur, said: “This is an important post, especially in the current economic climate. We have already made clear that our main priority is to be tough on cutting States spending and the Council of Ministers wants to implement all possible savings and efficiencies. This new role of Deputy Chief Executive for the States will be instrumental in enabling us to deliver this commitment.”


Cant be him on the Gold Group

Anonymous said...

Oh hang on was it him before this post was created? can you find out who it was?

rico sorda said...

Sorry Anonymous

I have that vile blog banged to rights. Not surprised the Troll pulled the shutters down.

rs

Anonymous said...

All credit to Daniel Wimbers elbow he asks all the questions that the rest of us want answered. All credit to Trevor Pitman and all. And all credit to you Rico it is appreciated what you and VFC do keep it up/

Anonymous said...

John Richardson the man who was instrumental in the shafting of the JMT & Chris Lewis in favour of Connex with the help of friend Crowcroft of course while at TTS

Anonymous said...

Check out the audio on thejerseyway just brilliant. Now if someone hears that and they not shitting their pants about how this island is being run then they are as crazy as our leaders..

rico sorda said...

TJW

rico sorda said...

on the last question and at the very end of the audio do we finally have TLS saying that GP is innocent of any wrong doing? and if so why have we had so much bullsh*t from this man.

Anonymous said...

I have always believed and seen nothing to change my opinion with regards Lenny Harper & Graham Power.

I believe they were always innocent of wrong doings that were unfairly levelled against them.

TLS knows it as do those complicit in attempting to smear them as sacrifice to save Jerseys reputation.

The game is up.

Anonymous said...

I quickly listened to the audio on the JerseyWay and hats off to those trying to get answers.

I will have another listen tonight it really demands that from the listener to try and make sense of TLS attempts to answer.

Anonymous said...

Some people simply not man enough to admit they are wrong. allowing themselves to be played and used.

You know who you are.

They will never ever be men.

Still trying to bluff it out and making themselves look ridiculous whilst damaging Jerseys reputation.

These people know who they are and the majority of non sheeple know who they are.

These people have the nerve to sit in judgement when good men are made to suffer as a result of this behaviour.

The kind of people that offer to resign if they do not get their own way.

Those that make silly public excuses for not accepting top job they were led to believe they would get blaming others in the process.

Those who publicly do not answer questions in a straight forward honest way.

And we have those that simply say nothing at all.

Shame on them.

Ian Evans said...

Stuart Syvret, JAILED for caring.

rico sorda said...

So what a day in crazy jersey lala land.

First up I must apologise to some people. I needed to get some posts off the F-Blog but the buggers closed it down before I could, so, in the good old Jersey Way when times are hard I went fishing. I baited the hook and like that dumb old fish that keeps bitting up she came. All will be revealed latte, so thanks again lol. As big daddy once said Easy, Easy.

They now inform me that I will be next etc etc

I managed to get down the states for the begging of Bob's proposition and I warn all members of the public 'never ever go and watch it' it has we are doomed all over it. TLS was again at his 'non producing any coherent facts or evidence' best it was strange and very surreal really. It carries on tomorrow.

To the gentleman I met in King street, it was a pleasure meeting you. I totally respect your courage and the reason for me to carry on fighting.

I see the Magistrate court has gone into another 10 week recess. Not sure how someone who is totally skint can pay that whooping fine but im sure there will a £2 a week agreement somewhere down the line.

Just when I thought things were a bit strange im now going enjoy a good bloody laugh and watch England

rs

Zoompad said...

I have incriminating posts saved from that F blog. They have committed criminal offences and they are going to be brought to book.

Anonymous said...

Hey Rico, I believe some weeks back, Stuart said he was not the editor of the site which uses his name, however, I made a post earlier which has not appeared.

What are the chances that it will appear?

Zoompad said...

I have copied and saved many of those vile comments about you Rico.

rico sorda said...

CHIEF MINISTERS’S RESPONSE TO REQUEST FOR APOLOGY TO FORMER POLICE CHIEF GRAHAM POWER QPM

The Jersey Care Leavers Association is aware of the request by Deputy Bob Hill for a formal apology to be made to the former Chief Officer of Police, Mr. Graham Power QPM.

We would wholeheartedly support this, but are dismayed and surprised with the response that the Chief Minister has given to Deputy Hill, and would wish the following comments to be noted.
·
As has been quoted before at no time were we given false hope of convictions by Graham Power or Lenny Harper and the team investigating the abuse scandal. We were invited to come forward with information as part of the ongoing investigation, and at all times were treated with dignity, respect and understanding in our dealings with the investigation team at that time. It is indeed due to the sympathetic manner we were dealt with that we felt at ease talking with this team, and thanks to that, some convictions have taken place.

· The whole context of the relationship with the new incumbents to the Police when Mr. Power was suspended and Mr. Harper retired changed noticeably in regard to any trust that had been built up previously hence we see no requirement at all for an apology from either Mr. Power or Mr. Harper. On the contrary we have a lot to be grateful to them for.

· We are rather concerned that yet again it appears that the people of Jersey and the financial aspects appertaining to the investigation(s) seem to take precedence over the real issue – i.e. child abuse and the victims who have not seen any justice or closure. It would be hoped that the people of Jersey and States Members will realise that this is a matter that can never be put to rest by those who suffered at the hands of the States of Jersey, and to state that ‘enough is enough’ can only but add insult to injury.

· It must be noted that the team of Mr. Power and Mr. Harper secured convictions, and indeed cases are still pending thanks to their good work. For that the Jersey Care Leavers’ are thankful. It is rather unfortunate that the Chief Minister does not see fit to offer praise and support where it is very, very due – to the very gentlemen who he refuses to apologise to.

The Fight goes on

rs

rico sorda said...

I thought i would just say this about Stuart.

Team Voice had lunch with stuart late last week and had a very good idea what would happen today, so am i shocked,NO.

I was surprised by the late charges that came in but thats Jersey.

This is and always has been about the bigger picture, yes he is in Jail, and can i just say to all his supporters don't worry he is ok.

It is a 10 week recess and then its all back on

I thought the legal costs of £150,000 sounded very cheap. That bust have been bakers fees alone? do you think hey are down playing the cost of this case?

rs

Anonymous said...

Surely when he was charged with contempt of court, he could have asked for time to get some legal advice?

Rob Kent said...

Spread the word: Free Stuart Syvret

Anonymous said...

"Surely when he was charged with contempt of court, he could have asked for time to get some legal advice?"

Contempt of Court, while a procedural matter, is still a criminal offence. If a court feels that it has been treated with "contempt" the presiding judge, or magistrate is free to point this out to the person(s) concerned and instruct that they modify their behaviour and/or apologise.

If no apolgy or modification of language, or behaviour is forthcoming the presiding judge, or magistrate can immediately impose penalties.

Like most decisions handed down from the bench, such things can be appealed, at which time, the court must demonstrate what behaviour etc it felt was contemtuous.

In Stuart Syvret's case, given his attitude to the court and the charges against him, his remarks about the prosecuton advocate and the magistrate herself and his own admission that he held the court in contempt, charges of and conviction for Contempt of Court were inevitable and he will be wasting his time - and a great deal of public money - in appealing against them.

voiceforchildren said...

Suart Syvret to appear in the Royal Court today on Bail applisation 14.00

GeeGee said...

Thanks Rob - the word is being spread!! Further and wider than you can imagine.

Anonymous said...

[In Stuart Syvret's case, given his attitude to the court and the charges against him, his remarks about the prosecuton advocate and the magistrate herself and his own admission that he held the court in contempt, charges of and conviction for Contempt of Court were inevitable and he will be wasting his time - and a great deal of public money - in appealing against them. ]

No he won't be wasting time, it has follow that process, to ensure he has done all possible before taking the fundamental case higher up the global food chain.

Anonymous said...

anonymous @ 8-45 on 18/11

contempt has nothing to do with your regard for the court

criminal contempt:
requires a victim who has been injured, harmed or had loss caused to

civil contempt:
requires a contract with a failure to perform

it is the total lack of the most basic knowledge
of law and the willingness to go along with the 'everyone knows that' mentality,
that has us sleepwalking into slavery

carry on watching celebrity this and that on the idiot tube everyone

our glorious leaders know whats best for us

Zoompad said...

"Contempt of Court, while a procedural matter, is still a criminal offence"

So is aiding and abetting rapists and murderers. I believe the sentance for that crime is much longer than 10 weeks though!