Sunday, November 28, 2010

Chief Minister & Home Affairs Minister 6



Chief Minister Le Sueur


Senator T.A. Le Sueur:

As far as I am concerned, the main problem of accountability rests with the person who is responsible for the Haut de la Garenne incident in the first place, and that person is no longer in the employ of the States.


Now is this Bozo meaning Child Abusers or Lenny Harper. That Statement sums it up for me. We all know he means Lenny Harper.




The conduct of the Chief Minister has been firmly thrust into the spotlight over these past months, some would say these past years.

I believe that leadership should be a baseline expectation for someone in the role of Chief Minister, but what has been coming out of the Chief Minister's mouth over the past 6 months goes completely beyond the ridiculous.  Now I am not sure who is researching or writing the Chief Minister's replies to questions from various States members, but my guess is when they hand them over to the Chief Minister they all have a good laugh in the back room because they can't believe he's just gone and read them out in the States assembly!

I am finding it increasingly difficult to come to terms with the total ineptitude of the Chief Minister.  This is not borne out of some dislike for the Chief Minister but purely on researched and evidence based fact.  I have noticed now in the States assembly one has to be very careful when questioning the Chief Minister because, as standing orders state, you cannot just stand up and call him a liar across the chamber.  It now seems that the Chief Minister has misled the house, so  how do you say it: He's lying; he's been misleading; he's being economical with the truth?

Below is the speech that the Chief Minister, Terry Le Sueur, stood up and made in his defence of P166/2010.  What stands out from this speech is the complete garbage contained therein and the reason I say it is garbage is because, put alongside facts and evidence, it does not stand up.  In fact, he offers nothing.

I believe the question that must be asked is "how or why did so many States members back the Chief Minister on this complete waffle"  and then to compel matters even more he asked States members to check his comments on P166, which in themselves make even less sense than the speech below.

The local media have really got to step up their game.  They simply cannot let the Chief Minister come out with such complete waffle and get away with it.  They should be applying pressure and keeping him to account on behalf of the public based on proper facts and evidence.  Their role is essential if we are ever to achieve anything like good governance in Jersey.  Everyone has got to step up to a new level.

I have noticed a distinct change in BBC Jersey since the arrival of the new editor.  One day he'll have a knock on the door.  It could be some time soon.  He will have a simple decision to make:  Does he ruffle feathers and go against the grain in bringing BBC Jersey up to the standard of an independent media broadcasting outlet? or it's champagne and caviar and not much else.  We know that Channel/Rankin TV is coconut crazy and Shipley and Bright up at Five Oaks, AKA the JEP, is the Establishment paper through and through.  So it looks like it's up to the BBC to start holding people like the Chief Minister, Terry Le Sueur, and not forgetting the Home Affairs Minister, Senator Ian Le Marquand, to account, because let's be honest here, a former magistrate, in fact a man of the law, who is meant to be able to spot injustice cannot spot injustice when he is the cause of it!  How crazy is Jersey in the year 2010?

So, back on to the speech of Terry Le Sueur on P166, a speech so lacking in any coherent evidence based fact inspired 30+ members of our States assembly to vote with the Chief Minister, as opposed to the speeches of Trevor Pitman, Daniel Wimberley, Simon Crowcroft and Paul Le Claire.  Make no mistake, and I do believe it's great that people hold rallies, call meetings and lobby politicians, but the real problem, and it's the most glaring problem, meaning that very few decent propositions will get through the states is because of the 30+ States member who decline to show any freedom from the influence that they are under.  If anyone doubts who the 30+ States Members are, and they are being named and their photos will be going up, then go into the States website.  On the left hand side is members and votes.  See how Philip Ozouf voted on the proposition and from there you can just tick off the names.

The Jersey historic abuse investigation has blown the lid off this Island and totally exposed the toxic cancer that lies beneath the surface. 

P166 and a fully exposed Chief Minister:





3.1.1  Senator T.A. Le Sueur:

Members may well be relieved to learn that I do not intend to speak very long in response to this proposition.  The impression I get from most Members is that this subject has been done to death in recent weeks.  The proposition originally called on the Chief Minister to do 3 things, now 2 of them.  Firstly, to provide more comprehensive information on a range of issues which the Deputy of St. Martin, and others, feel to be deeply significant and worrying.  Secondly, to provide a formal apology to the former Chief Officer of Police for a failure to deal with the suspension in accordance with the disciplinary code relating to his position.  The third request has now been withdrawn.  

I believe that I have dealt with the first point in the presenting of my comments to this proposition.  I have outlined my answers to the questions and concerns raised by the Deputy of St. Martin.  I have tried to keep my answers succinct and to the point but I hope that they do, indeed, deal with these issues in a complete and satisfactory manner. 

I am sure there will be a few Members who may disagree with one or 2 of my views.  That is human nature, but I cannot change my opinions.  I have arrived at my opinions only after detailed consideration of a number of papers and reports from a variety of people.  I could embellish my answers.  I could make each one take up half a page or more, but it would not alter the fundamental thrust of my views; views, which I have already expressed in this House on numerous occasions in response to written questions, oral questions and questions without notice.  I took the view that less means more and I indicated, quite clearly, my views to all the issues raised by the Deputy, not just in my written comments here today, but in the numerous questions which I have answered and which the Deputy acknowledges have been numerous. 

  As I indicated in questions yesterday, we have to distinguish between the suspension process, which Mr. Napier found to be flawed, and the decision to suspend the former Chief Officer, which I and others find to be entirely justified and which has, indeed, be borne out by subsequent events.

  So that leaves part (b) of this proposition, the issue of an apology.  On that, I have made my position abundantly clear.  I have expressed a view verbally in answer to oral questions and in written form including my comments to this proposition.  My opinion, my robust opinion, is clear and I hope understood by all Members, even if I know some may disagree with me.  I do not want to go over the events of the last 2 years.  I am sure that all Members have had ample opportunity to reach their own conclusions and I am sorry to see that even last night, the former Deputy Chief Officer of Police was writing to the local media attempting to justify his actions.

  An apology to the former Chief of Police could well be seen as a slap in the face for the former Minister for Home Affairs, the former Chief Minister, the Chief Executive of the States and the current acting Chief Officer of Police.  It would also, in my view, be offensive to a large number of people in Jersey, many of whom hold the former Chief Officer, and his deputy, responsible for portraying a grossly misleading image of the Islands. 

 So in saying that, I am not in any way condoning any child abuse which may have occurred at Haut de la Garenne, or anywhere else; nor do I wish to offend any members of the Jersey Caregivers Association or any other victims of abuse.  In the pursuit of justice the police have my full and unwavering support.  But, that is not the issue here today.  The issue today is whether we consider that I, or the States, should give an apology to the former Chief Officer of Police for his suspension.  I accept that the Deputy of St. Martin sometimes gets carried away in his strong views on this matter.  I have to say, nonetheless, I deplore suggestions that I was either misleading the House or that others were guilty of a conspiracy theory.  I believe that that is an unwarranted and unjustified allegation.  I also, even more so, deplore the fact that the Deputy has chosen to disclose the content of a confidential email, even though that content may be relatively innocuous, a document which contains confidential information is marked confidential, should still remain confidential.  So, I hope, we are not lowering the standards of this Chamber.  But to come back to the proposition, I hope that Members are in no doubt about my view.  I hope that Members share my view and I hope that Members will reject this proposition.



So there we have it. Now if someone wants to defend that speech then feel free but all I ask is that you back it up with some evidence.

And what of misleading the house? Below is an exchange that highlights what Im on about . It concerns a question by the Deputy of St Martin about the removal of part d of the Napier TOR 


 

2.4     The Deputy of St. Martin of the Chief Minister regarding alterations to the Napier Terms of Reference:

I would just ask that Members, I know they are entitled to footstamp but could I just ask the footstamping commences after the answer is given, so Members this side of the Chamber are able to hear all the answers.  [Approbation]  [Laughter]  In his answer to an oral question on 19th October 2010 about altering the Napier terms of reference, the Chief Minister advised that they were altered when it was established that the previous Chief Officer of Police would fully participate in the investigation, will the Minister inform Members when this willingness was communicated and, if by letter, when was it received?

Senator T.A. Le Sueur (The Chief Minister):

I am advised that Mr. Napier himself contacted the former Chief Officer of Police and ascertained that the former Chief Officer was indeed willing to participate fully in the investigation.  He did indeed participate and Mr. Napier has also had access to a copy of the affidavit prepared by the former Chief Officer of Police in connection with subsequent appeals in the Royal Court.

2.4.1  The Deputy of St. Martin:

I do not like to prove that the Chief Minister is not telling the truth in this Chamber, but what I have here is a letter dated 21st April to the Deputy Chief Executive informing the Minister about his ability to take part, however the terms of reference were published in R.39 on 14th April.  Can I ask the Chief Minister if he maybe would reconsider his answer, in actual fact that Mr. Napier did not make contact with the Chief Officer of Police before the terms of reference were altered?

Senator T.A. Le Sueur:

The terms of reference are a fluid arrangement.  At the time of the agreement in this House of those terms of reference the disciplinary process involving the former Chief Officer was still in place.  Accordingly, it was questionable whether the Chief Officer would be willing to participate in such an inquiry.  After Mr. Napier had established that the former Chief Officer of Police was prepared to assist in these investigations, that particular aspect of the terms of reference was no longer relevant.

2.4.2  The Deputy of St. Martin:

I find the answer astonishing because quite clearly the evidence I have to hand really shows that the Chief Minister, I am afraid, is misleading the House this morning.

The Bailiff:

Be careful with your language.

The Deputy of St. Martin:

I will, but it is rather frustrating when you have evidence in your hand, and I know the fact that what the Chief Minister is saying is maybe incorrect and I would ask him maybe he would check to ensure that what I have - the evidence that we have at hand - is really the evidence which we should be hearing or study it this morning. 

The Bailiff:

That was your question, Deputy.

Senator T.A. Le Sueur:

If the Deputy is prepared to give me the evidence he has, I will investigate it myself.  I said in my answer, and I was very careful to say, that I was advised that Mr. Napier had contacted the Chief Officer.  I do not have the information first-hand, and I do not have evidence to do that.  If the Deputy has evidence to the contrary and wishes to share it with me I will happily look into it.

[Interruption]  [Laughter]

[10:00]

2.4.3  The Deputy of St. Martin:

Can I ask the Chief Minister why it was felt necessary to remove part of the terms of reference because the Chief Officer of Police said he was happy to partake?  Surely they should have been left in if indeed he was happy to partake.  Would the Chief Minister not agree?

Senator T.A. Le Sueur:

It strikes me as being totally irrelevant whether it was left in or not.  The fact is that Mr. Napier did have access to Mr. Power, both to ask him questions and to read his affidavit.  The whole question of whether they are in the terms of reference as published is totally meaningless when the reality is that Mr. Napier had full access to all evidence provided by the former Chief Officer.

2.4.4  Deputy M.R. Higgins:

Would the Chief Minister be prepared to put his evidence and Deputy Hill’s evidence to P.P.C. (Privileges and Procedures Committee)?  We obviously have here allegations that the House has been misled and I think it is time that the information is put out by both sides to P.P.C. and be adjudicated on.  Would the Chief Minister agree?

Senator T.A. Le Sueur:

I cannot see that this is a matter of relevance to the P.P.C.  The question relates to the ability of Mr. Napier to access information from Mr. Power.  As I have said, and Mr. Napier has said, he had full access to that information.

2.4.5  The Deputy of St. Mary:

The Chief Minister appears to believe that the truth does not matter too much as long as the right answer comes out ...  [Members: Oh!]

The Bailiff:

No.  Deputy, please do not make improper assertions against other Members of the Assembly, as required by Standing Orders.

The Deputy of St. Mary:

I shall restart, Sir.  The question was about whether the terms of reference were altered after the Chief Officer of Police agreed to participate or before and the Chief Minister is then telling us: “Oh well, it does not matter too much because what happened in the end was that the Chief Officer of Police did co-operate with the inquiry.”  But that is not the point of the question.  My question to the Chief Minister is does he believe the process that doing things in the right way, that doing what you said you did, and it is true, matters?

Senator T.A. Le Sueur:

Yes, process is important.  But getting information is also important.  As I said, the reality of the situation is that whether it was in the terms of reference as published or not, the instructions to Mr. Napier were received by Mr. Napier, acted upon by Mr. Napier, he had access to the information from the former Chief Officer of Police and so whether it was done before or after that, the fact is that the outcome… the reality is that full access was obtainable and obtained.

2.4.6  The Deputy of St. Martin:

Will the Chief Minister accept that the affect of watering-down the terms of reference meant that it narrowed the terms of reference, thereby certain crucial witnesses did not need to be interviewed?  Will the Chief Minister agree to that?

Senator T.A. Le Sueur:

No, I do not think that is correct at all.  The fact is that the terms of reference referred to access to information.  That information was available.  If Mr. Napier felt the need to have information from other sources he was totally at liberty to do so.

Deputy T.M. Pitman:

Can I seek clarification from the Chief Minister, Sir?

The Bailiff:

No, I am sorry, Deputy.  Not at this stage.  This is question time. 

Deputy T.M. Pitman:

It would be nice to understand what was said.

The Bailiff:

There will be an opportunity, Deputy, if I may say so; the questions without notice, the Chief Minister will be asked today, and of course Members are free to take up any point then.

 

Im sorry for such a long posting but its one that must be done. Bob Hill has the Chief Minister here , what does the chief Minister say "I said in my answer, and I was very careful to say, that I was advised that Mr. Napier had contacted the Chief Officer." he was advised. Is the Chief Minister getting advise on everything? 


Someone is lying here, its very simple. TLS says that (part d) was dropped because Graham Power had agreed to see Napier , that was on April 21st 2010 but (part d) was dropped on R39 on the 14th April 


Someone is getting it very wrong.


Before the Keyboard Cat plays TLS out I will clear this little bit up


Deputy of St Martin

"I would just ask that Members, I know they are entitled to footstamp but could I just ask the footstamping commences after the answer is given, so Members this side of the Chamber are able to hear all the answers.  [Approbation]  [Laughter


The reason for the footstamping 


Senator T.A. Le Sueur:

As far as I am concerned, the main problem of accountability rests with the person who is responsible for the Haut de la Garenne incident in the first place, and that person is no longer in the employ of the States.




JERSEY 2010


RICO SORDA


Friday, November 26, 2010

Dignity & Courage




For the Jersey Abuse Survivors


Friday the 26th November 2010



This is a very short blog posting. 



I have been  touched and left with complete Admiration for the Courage, togetherness, honesty and damn determination you have shown in the pursuit of Justice. You got Justice today. 


I know some are feeling it should have been more.  


The courage you have all shown in putting those two Abusers in the dock must never be underestimated. I was struck by your togetherness, I wish I was better with words so that I could express to the readers of this Blog exactly what I've witnessed in such a brief time.


For me it was total confirmation of why I became involved in the Jersey Child Abuse  Scandal. You see, and I must explain, for me its the human element, the raw emotional and physical suffering  of people who suffered so much as children through no fault of their own. I don't like what im seeing in Jersey Society, and continue to see. 


 I thank Graham Power, Lenny Harper, Simon Bellwood and Stuart Syvret for showing  "NO FEAR"  


Team Voice has been inspired by your courage. I thank you for the conversations, it has helped me stay focused and determined to fight these Morally and Socially Corrupt States Members and a fully politisised Law Office



You Showed Almighty Courage


 Today is your day




Take Care 


Rico Sorda 


Team Voice 


Tuesday, November 23, 2010

The Exposing of P166/2010 Part 2


Lenny Harper a man who has handled himself with dignity






Graham Power QPM a man who has handled himself with dignity







ILM & TLS  What can you say?  Just what can you say? 



So in my second blog posting 'The exposing of P166/2010 '  I will be looking at the members who just missed the first cut, there saving grace being  they voted for part (V) of Deputy Hills Proposition.


So we had 19 States members who voted against everything P166  was asking. 19 members who are against a straight forward open and transparent government.  


Now the Establishment Part begins to grow. Look at the latest posting from VFC its the same names that keep on cropping up. The Fixer has the chamber in his pocket that is why they are so casual on debates of such importance like p166. The chamber was half empty for that debate it was only the departure of the mace that seemed to draw a crowd. 


Even if you think Graham And Lenny did a rubbish job on the Historic Abuse Investigation what im asking you to do is look outside that box. Think about good governance, think about all aspects of Island Life. These people are making decisions that affect you,they should concern you they are not fit for purpose.


Now I say that las bit because even in the face of strong evidence they will vote in favor of the Fixer but more about him on a later blog. I feel very strongly about where these people are leading us. I have been struggling with my emotions because this really does affect me. I cant believe they don't care, they just vote and don't think about the consequences, they cant care.


So this applies to the ones below


I would like to say well done to the Deputies and Senators who stood up and delivered brilliantly well researched speeches.  The fact that these speeches had no bearing on the debate or votes is again a very bad indictment of our state of government.  One of the main reasons for P166/2010 failing is the personal issues our government has with Graham Power and Lenny Harper.  In their eyes these two people are the enemy of Jersey and their crime was exposing institutional child abuse.  They blame Graham Power and Lenny Harper for bringing the International Media to Jersey, but show absolutely no condemnation of the perpetrators of such heinous crimes.  


In November of the year 2010, can anyone honestly say where Jersey is heading?  We seem to be losing our social and moral conscience by the day.  My government believes it's OK to illegally suspend the Chief of Police, QPM, in the middle of an international child abuse scandal.  They too believe it is totally fine that the Chief of Police is offered none of his rights as required under the States of Jersey Police Code 1974.  They also believe it is OK for the Chief Executive to destroy the notes of the suspension meeting and consider this to be good practice.  They also believe it is OK for the Chief of Police to have no right of response to the allegations made against him when his only crime was investigating child abuse.


Where does that leave us as a functioning democracy?


Deputy Le Fondre


Deputy Jeune 


Deputy Dupre


Constable Gallichon 


The ones not present for the vote were


Deputy Kevin Lewis, Deputy Pryke, Constable Jackson, Constable Hanning, Deputy Green



So, as you see the Establishment Party Grow why don't you conduct an experiment click on the link to the States Greffe.  On the left hand side you will see Members Votes, click on any proposition and check how Senator Ozouf voted then check the others off against your list you will not be surprised










These States Members are a Danger to Children in Care, the reason for saying this is simple. Who now will be prepared to blow the whistle in Jersey if they see malpractice towards Children. Do these States members not recognise the magnitude of what they are doing..


If any of the States Members don't agree with what Im saying please feel free to contact me at ricosorda@yahoo.co.uk


I look forward to hearing why you voted the way you did. And, with your permission, im more than willing to put your argument across seeing as none of you put it across in the states.


rs

Sunday, November 21, 2010

The Exposing of P166/2010


Graham Power a man who has conducted himself with dignity.


So... What ramifications did Proposition P166 hold for the people of Jersey?  


Deputy Bob Hill's proposition was very simple in what it was asking of the elected politicians of the States of Jersey.  In Part A of the proposition all Deputy Hill was requiring from our politicians was that Chief Minister Terry Le Sueur bring a report or statement explaining the points laid out below:


 (a) to request the Chief Minister to inform States members in a Report presented to the Assembly, or in a Statement to the Assembly, of the 

action he has already taken and the action he intends to take in respect of the report dated 10th September 2010 into the suspension of the former Chief Officer of the States of Jersey Police prepared for the hief Minister by Mr. Brian Napier QC (‘the Napier Report’) and, in particular to provide information in respect of the following matters – 

 

And now these were the parts of P166/2010


(i) what action, if any, the Chief Minister has taken in respect of 

the destruction by the Chief Executive to the Council of 

Ministers of the original notes he took during the suspension 

meeting and what guidelines, if any, the Chief Minister has 

issued regarding the records of suspension meetings in the 

future; 

 

  (ii) whether he accepts the conclusion set out in paragraphs 45, 

67, 72 and 107 of the Napier Report that action was taken on 

a basis which was contrary to the advice of the Law Officers 

and what action, if any, he has taken or proposes to take in 

respect of that matter; 

 

  (iii) whether he accepts the conclusion set out in paragraphs 49– 

53, 55, 58–66, 107 and 108 of the Napier Report that the 

suspension process did not meet the requirements of the 

Disciplinary Code for the Chief Officer, issued under 

Article 9(1) of the Police Force (Jersey) Law 1974 as part of 

the Chief Officer’s terms and conditions, and what action, if 

any, he has taken regarding the apparent breach of the process 

specified in the Code; 

 

  (iv) why there has been no formal presentation of the report to 

members and no opportunity to discuss the findings with the 

author? 

 

  (v) what training, procedural and other corrective measures, if 

any, he has taken in order to ensure that personnel issues, and 

in particular disciplinary issues, are managed appropriately in 

the future; 

 

  (vi) whether any disciplinary proceedings have been taken as a 

result of the findings of the Napier Report and, if so, to update 

members on the outcome of those proceedings; 

 

 (b) to request the Chief Minister to issue a formal apology to the retired 

Chief Officer of the States of Jersey Police in relation to the failure of 

those involved, as identified in the Napier Report, to deal with the 

Chief Officer’s suspension in accordance with the procedures set out 

in the Disciplinary Code; 

 



But our elected politicians couldn't even do that.


It was a classic debate; one that fully exposed the blinkered hostility certain states members and constables have towards open, transparent government and accountability.  Only two members stood up in defence of the Chief Minister and that was the Chief Minister himself and the Home Affairs Minister, who publicly held a Kangaroo Court against the former suspended Chief of Police, Graham Power, in April of this year.


I would like to say well done to the Deputies and Senators who stood up and delivered brilliantly well researched speeches.  The fact that these speeches had no bearing on the debate or votes is again a very bad indictment of our state of government.  One of the main reasons for P166/2010 failing is the personal issues our government has with Graham Power and Lenny Harper.  In their eyes these two people are the enemy of Jersey and their crime was exposing institutional child abuse.  They blame Graham Power and Lenny Harper for bringing the International Media to Jersey, but show absolutely no condemnation of the perpetrators of such heinous crimes.  


In November of the year 2010, can anyone honestly say where Jersey is heading?  We seem to be losing our social and moral conscience by the day.  My government believes it's OK to illegally suspend the Chief of Police, QPM, in the middle of an international child abuse scandal.  They too believe it is totally fine that the Chief of Police is offered none of his rights as required under the States of Jersey Police  Law 1974.  They also believe it is OK for the Chief Executive to destroy the notes of the suspension meeting and consider this to be good practice.  They also believe it is OK for the Chief of Police to have no right of response to the allegations made against him when his only crime was investigating child abuse.


Where does that leave us as a functioning democracy?


The 18 states members and constables pictured below voted against all 7 points of proposition P166.  I can safely say, hand on heart, that these politicians and constables, and there are more to follow on the next couple of blogs, are a danger to me, the people of Jersey and most importantly to every child who is presently in the care of the States of Jersey.


I say this because they are allowing personality politics to get in the way of good governance... and we are screaming out for good governance.  I will finish by saying part (v) was won and there were many members who voted in favour of that part but against the remaining 6.  They will be named and shamed.  Here is the code of ethics I believe a government should strive to abide by and are currently failing at every possible turn. 


Selflessness : Holders of public office should take decisions solely in terms of the public interest. They should not do so in order to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their friends.


Integrity : Holders of public office should not place themselves under any financial or other obligation to outside individuals or organisations that might influence them in the performance of their official duties.


Objectivity : In carrying out public business, including making public appointments, awarding contracts, or recommending individuals for rewards and benefits, holders of public office should make choices on merit.


Accountability : Holders of public office are accountable for their decisions and actions to the public and must submit themselves to whatever scrutiny is appropriate to their office.


Openness : Holders of public office should be as open as possible about all the decisions and actions that they take. They should give reasons for their decisions and restrict information only when the wider public interest clearly demands.


Honesty : Holders of public office have a duty to declare any private interests relating to their public duties and to take steps to resolve any conflicts arising in a way that protects the public interest.


Leadership : Holders of public office should promote and support these principles by leadership and example.


Now go back and read what p166/2010 was asking. Ask yourself what is this Government so afraid of.


TRUTH-HONESTY -INTEGRITY


These have none of the Above


Every one of these states members voted against all points of P166/2010. How many of the states members below are on the States Employment Board? yet, display these ethics? to me it makes no sense.


These States Members are a Danger to Children in Care, the reason for saying this is simple. Who now will be prepared to blow the whistle in Jersey if they see malpractice towards Children. Do these States members not recognise the magnitude of what they are doing..


If any of the States Members don't agree with what Im saying please feel free to contact me at ricosorda@yahoo.co.uk


I look forward to hearing why you voted the way you did. And, with your permission, im more than willing to put your argument across seeing as none of you put it across in the states.


They are


Deputy Noel

Deputy Reed

Constable Vibert

Constable Murphy

Deputy Hilton

Constable Yates

Senator Ferguson

Constable Butcher

Constable Gallichon

Constable Refault

Senator Shenton

Senator Cohen

Senator Perchard

Senator Mclean

Chef Minister Le Suer

Senator Le Main

Senator Routier

Senator Ozouf

Senator I le Marquand


The reason this list is not longer is that many members thought it was right to vote for part (v) of the proposition which for them was a safe part. They will be exposed next as they are as culpable as the ones below
















Thursday, November 18, 2010

A Bloody Disgrace
















What a day 


P166/2010 a  Proposition that will go down as a pivotal moment in the Decaying Shambles that is the States of Jersey.


We have about 35-40 States members who just don't care. I kid you not, they just don't care.


I will admit that my emotions are running very high at the moment. I have been shocked many times by this shower of crap but today takes the biscuit.


18th November 2010


This is the date when the States Chamber totally endorsed corrupt Government there can be no other way of looking at it.


What is the point of Deputies and Senators researching  the proposition, win the debate hands down but then to loose the proposition because of 37 morons dragging the good politicians, the people of Jersey , the Islands reputation down into the Gutter.


It gives me no pleasure that these 37 are quite happy to turn a blind eye to Child Abuse carried out by the States of Jersey


It gives me no pleasure that these 37 are quite happy to let TLS and his gang get away with this shambolic style of Governance 


It gives me no pleasure that they are prepared to do this because they don't like Graham Power & Lenny Harper 


In there warped and socially corrupt minds it is Lenny and Graham who are the Criminals not the Child Abusers, oh no not the Child Abusers, we must turn a blind eye there,  protect Jerseys reputation at all costs.


Yes the Jordans are in court at the moment and I thank Lenny and Graham for that.


The beauty is that this debate is now recorded and will be up on Hansard at a latter date. It should be read by all



There comes a time when you just have to say sorry 


It takes a real man to be able to do it 


It was nice seeing some good friends today and for them this fight goes on. 


The 37 I will assure you this 


Your pictures are going up on this blog with some text


You are a danger to me, you are a danger to every child being born  , you are a disgrace to the chamber, you have no backbone.


You are paving the way for a future Child Abuse Scandal


Who the hell will blow the whistle in 40yrs time 


Rico Sorda


Tuesday, November 16, 2010

Wiltshire, Not quite the holy grail




























1240/5(5824) 

 

WRITTEN QUESTION TO THE MINISTER FOR HOME AFFAIRS 

BY THE DEPUTY OF ST. MARY 

ANSWER TO BE TABLED ON TUESDAY 16th NOVEMBER 2010 

 

Question 

 

In the light of the Chief Minister’s statement that he believes that the findings of the Wiltshire 

Report fully endorse the decision to suspend the previous Chief Officer of Police, can the 

Minister: 

 

(a) provide members with the press statements released by the States of Jersey Police relating 

to any one of the major elements disputed during the Haut de la Garenne inquiry, in order, 

and the full recordings of audio and video interviews? 

 

(b) provide members with the 93 page statement provided by the former Chief of Police to the 

Wiltshire inquiry? 

 

(c) supply evidence for the assertion that ACPO had a “policy of only making 

recommendations to which [the then Chief Officer and Deputy Chief Officer of Police] had signalled prior approval? 

 

(d) provide a full and proper audit trail of the emails concerning the finds JAR/6 and SLJ/1? 

 

(e) provide members with the final version of the Wiltshire Report, redacted as necessary but 

with as much as possible of the missing 270 pages, which the Minister promised to issue to me by “early September” in his email of 3rd August 2010? 



Answer 

 

(a)  I have previously indicated to the Deputy of St Mary that I am not going to do this.  The 

press statements are in the public domain and the Deputy of St Mary should do his own research. 

 

(b)  I would only do this if asked so to do by the previous Chief Officer and even then the 

statement would need to be redacted to remove reference to individuals who are not public facing. 

 

(c)  I have previously indicated that I will not be releasing the statements of witnesses who were interviewed by the Wiltshire Police or other evidence. 

 

(d)  I do not understand what is meant by “audit trails of e-mails”.  However, this appears to also be referring to statements or other evidence. 

 

(e)  I have planned to do this but the task is extensive and has been delayed by work on the 

CSR process and by other work pressures upon the individuals who are completing the 

redaction process on my behalf.  I have reminded them of this task and will continue to do 

so.  The date of September 2010 was the date given to me but has proved to be 

unachievable. 


IF  Wiltshire is the HOLY GRAIL for ILM & TLS they seem a bit shy on releasing certain parts of it.



WRITTEN QUESTION TO THE CHIEF MINISTER 

BY THE DEPUTY OF ST. MARY 

ANSWER TO BE TABLED ON TUESDAY 16th NOVEMBER 2010 

 

Question 

 

Given that the Napier Report states (paragraph 32) “Reports from that group (the Gold Group, on 

which the Chief Executive to the Council of Ministers had his own representative) tended to 

indicate that there had been serious failings in the investigation carried out under the direction of 

(the then Deputy Chief Officer of the States of Jersey Police)”, can the Chief Minister inform 

members who that representative was and further provide members with any evidence of the 

reports mentioned in this paragraph? 

 

 

Answer 

 

The representative of the Chief Minister’s Department on the Gold Group was the Assistant Chief 

Executive. 

 

The Gold Group, which was established by the Deputy Chief Officer of the States of Jersey 

Police, received internal reports on the progress of the investigation as part of its role. 

 ********


 Who was the Deputy Chief Officer?  Not the one who handled the Napier Report I hope?




1240/5(5822) 

 

WRITTEN QUESTION TO THE CHIEF MINISTER 

BY THE DEPUTY OF ST. MARY 

ANSWER TO BE TABLED ON TUESDAY 16th NOVEMBER 2010 

 

Question 

 

Can the Chief Minister explain the inconsistencies between his written answer on 2nd November 

2010, in which he stated that there were no notes taken at an informal meeting held on 7th March 

2008 when the Home Affairs Minister invited the Chief Minister and Chief Executive to meet 

two ACPO officers who were undertaking the review of the Police investigation, and the second 

ACPO report which states in Paragraph 4 that the said meeting had been convened at the request 

of the then Chief Minister and a written record of the meeting was available”? 

 

 

Answer 

 

The first question on 2nd November was addressed to me as Chief Minister and the answer I gave 

was from the perspective of the Chief Minister and the Chief Minister’s department. I cannot 

speak on behalf of the States of Jersey Police or, the previous Home Affairs Minister. 

 

I cannot explain the inconsistency described by the Deputy as I have not seen the first or second 

ACPO report to which he refers.  

 



1240/5(5820) 

 

WRITTEN QUESTION TO THE CHIEF MINISTER 

BY THE DEPUTY OF ST. MARY 

ANSWER TO BE TABLED ON TUESDAY 16th NOVEMBER 2010 

 

Question 

 

Does the Chief Minister accept in full the findings and conclusions of the Napier report which he 

commissioned and, if not, would he set out in detail the specific elements which he does not 

accept? 

 

 

Answer 

 

Mr. Napier was commissioned to produce an independent report that looked into the suspension 

process in relation to the former Chief Officer of the States of Jersey Police.   

 

I have accepted the Report as its stands in that it is a comprehensive review of the procedure 

followed regarding the suspension of the former Chief Officer of Police. The conclusions and 

recommendations are those of Mr. Brian Napier QC, who is an eminent professional in 

Employment Law matters.   

 

In his report, Mr. Napier points to several procedural issues in the suspension process that in his 

view had certain shortcomings.  These have now been addressed and I believe that the report has 

served its purpose and met the Terms of Reference in identifying where there were any failures in 

the process. 

 

 


I wanted these answers up so they can be looked and digested. One would hope that Tonys Musings would cast his eye over them and play Devils Advocate


RS


I have always said keep them talking 


This blog is dedicated to Andy James who agrees with me that we are run by clowns... More on that at a latter date


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