Saturday, July 16, 2011

HOLLYWOOD HARPER??? BDO Alto .19

















ACO  DAVID WARCUP



BDO 19



The Hard work starts paying off




An Astonishing Submission by the former Acting Chief Police Officer David Warcup 




BDO Alto & Mike Kellett give evidence before the Scrutiny Panel - Their evidence is staggering,  among other things  it contradicts  everything  David Warcup say's in his submission



Senator ILM came before the Scrutiny panel looking a little puzzled he  left totally dazed.  The Senator came with nothing - he couldn't  answer any questions  I  believe it's  fair to say he was totally clueless as to what's been going on?.  The impression I got from him was that he was really struggling with Dave Warcup's submission and the evidence given by BDO.  The Senator always thought he was in the loop, reality hurts.



Accounting Officer Steve Austin Vautier came in last - He mentioned Child Genocide -  I had visions of being in the killing fields of Cambodia. I was so drained at this point that I will wait for the transcripts to appear online.


The Only person who hasn't given or submitted evidence is D/Supt Mick Gradwell


This posting is concentrating on the Submission of David Warcup - There are problems very serious problems.


It's important to get familiar with what ACO  David Warcup is referring to before we  look at the answers given by Mike Kellett and BDO.


What we have is total confusion down the 'SOJP'


D/Supt Mick Gradwell  openly talking to and leaking information to Daily Mail Journalist David Rose, showing evidence to Abuse Survivors, showing evidence to the BBC that appeared on TV, the infamous November 12th 2008 press conference and doing the award winning CTV news stories. This was the SIO of the Child Abuse Investigation - None of this was pro -active towards the Historic Child Abuse Investigation. Lenny Harper & Graham Power are getting nailed for exposing decades long Child Abuse.


What exactly did D/Supt Mick Gradwell bring to the HCAE?



Then we have the BDO Alto Report



Confusion reigns supreme 



Does anyone make file notes? or record meetings down at the 'SOJP' 


This Submission reflects a chaotic situation in which individuals (none of them cheap) are tasked to do overlapping reports  Confusion develops, no one knows what's going on.  David Warcup believes Mike Kellett is brought in to work on a review for the SOJP not the BDO Alto report.  Mike Kellett says he was brought in to do the BDO Alto report and has never seen the terms of reference highlighted in blue in the David Warcup submission ref - the SOJP review.  

When David Warcup says he is blocking Mike Kellett from speaking to Lenny Harper he is referring to the SOJP review and, I repeat, not the BDO Alto report.  David Warcup is stating that he never stopped Mike Kellett from interviewing Lenny Harper regarding BDO Alto or did he?

What we are uncovering is a complete and utter shambles.  The SOJP force was in turmoil under Warcup & Gradwell  concerning the HCAE and they didn't even have to deal with the most hectic months of Operation Rectangle.  The actions of Mick Gradwell, I believe, are so serious that it must surely cast doubt on the integrity of his position as senior investigating officer of Jersey's 'HCAE' and the future committee of enquiry


Mike Kellett and BDO Alto don't agree with the Warcup Submission 



Senator ILM - just doesn't know what to make of the situation 









Submission by ACO Dave Warcup




Education and Home Affairs Scrutiny Panel 

Issues surrounding the review of financial management of Operational Rectangle 




Dear Mr Pitman, 

I refer to your letter dated 5th July 2011 setting out the agreed terms of reference for the above review by the Education and Home Affairs Scrutiny Panel.  

Background 

On the 4 August 2008 I was appointed Deputy Chief Officer, States of Jersey Police and assumed strategic oversight for the police investigation into allegations of Child Abuse, an enquiry which was known as Operation Rectangle.  

In August 2008 I requested the Metropolitan Police to carry out a review of the enquiry known as Operation Rectangle. In September 2008 the Metropolitan Police began their review of the investigation. 

In September 2008 Detective Superintendent Mick Gradwell was seconded from the UK to the States of Jersey Police and appointed as the Senior Investigating Officer for Operation Rectangle. 



In the weeks following my appointment I became concerned regarding a range of matters concerning the conduct of the enquiry. These matters were raised with the then Chief Officer, Mr Graham Power and subsequently with the then Chief Executive of the States of Jersey, Mr Bill Ogley. 


On the 12 November 2008 Mr Power was suspended and I was appointed Acting Chief Officer.  


On 1 December 2008 Mr Brian Moore, Chief Constable of Wiltshire was appointed to  undertake a misconduct investigation. In 2010 the findings of the investigation were reported in; ‘Operation HAVEN’  An independent disciplinary investigation by Wiltshire Police following the suspension of Chief Officer Graham POWER of the States of Jersey Police on 12 November 2008.   


Examination of the report clearly identifies a number of issues which are relevant to the considerations of the scrutiny panel. I would draw attention to those matters which relate to the governance of the enquiry. Due to the lack of any formal governance I took steps to rectify this position and to ensure that recognised investigative standards were applied. This included establishing a Strategic Coordinating Group (Gold Group) and agreeing 

Terms of Reference for the different aspects of work which were undertaken in connection with the enquiry. 


Scrutiny Panel terms of Reference. 

To examine the instructions under which BDO Alto was engaged to review the financial management of Operation Rectangle and their methods for gathering evidence for this review; 

On 15 January 2010 the Minister for Home Affairs and the Home Affairs Accounting 
Officer, instructed BDO Alto Ltd. Jersey, to undertake an independent review, the terms of reference for which were: 

‘To examine and consider the following in respect of the HCAE investigation: 

- The costs associated with personnel, to include overtime costs as well as accommodation, travel and subsistence; 

- The costs associated with all external supplies and services; 

- The internal governance arrangements that existed within States of Jersey Police to ensure the effective management control and the efficient and effective use of 
resources.’ 
To clarify the connection between the BDO Alto review and the review on the same matter separately commissioned by the Acting Chief Officer of Police; 

The review conducted by BDO Alto was commissioned by the Home Affairs Department and not the States of Jersey Police. The separate review commissioned by myself as the Acting Chief Officer was not a review of the same issues as those under review by BDO Alto Ltd. The assumption that they were the same as stated in the terms of reference is therefore wrong. 

In December 2008 the Chief Officer, Home Affairs Department, Mr Steven Austin-Vautier advised the (Police) Strategic Coordinating Group, (Gold) of the intention to carry out the external (audit) review.  

At the same time separate proposals were considered by the Strategic Coordinating Group; ‘to conduct a formal review into miscellaneous matters concerning Operational Rectangle.  

In addition separate terms of reference were agreed for the criminal investigation of 
allegations of child abuse, known as Operation Rectangle. 

For clarity therefore a number of reviews and investigations were commissioned, namely; 


i) The enquiry by Wiltshire Police.

ii) The investigation of criminal matters of historic abuse, known as Operation Rectangle. 

iii) The external review by BDO Alto Ltd. 

iv) The review by the Metropolitan Police of Operation Rectangle. 

v) The internal review by the States of Jersey Police (SOJP). 


In each case separate terms of reference were agreed. 

With regard to item v), as highlighted previously proposals for an internal review by the SOJP were considered by the Strategic Coordinating Group and the following ‘Purpose and Terms of Reference’ were agreed. 


‘The purpose of the review was; ‘to carry out a formal internal review into matters which currently do not fall within the parameters of the current historic abuse enquiry or other related investigations or review. The aim is to identify issues which have been identified during the course of the enquiry or have come to light as a result of complaints, which;- 



a) Give rise for concern in relation to the overall conduct of the enquiry. 

b) Have been raised as a matter of complaint either internally, or by members of the 
public. 

c) Have come to light as a result of information and intelligence received. 

d) Are likely to be of relevance to any future public enquiry. 

e) Are likely to form the basis of questions from states members in relation to their 
accountability function. 

f) Relate to matters which will assist in demonstrating the openness and transparency of the States of Jersey Police in respect of the overall conduct of the enquiry.’ 




It will be noted that the agreed purpose and terms of reference recognise the existence of other inquiries and reviews.  

In addition to agreeing the purpose and terms of reference, it was also agreed that an individual would be appointed to carry out the review under the supervision of Detective Superintendent Gradwell. Subsequently Mr Mike Kellet was appointed to fulfill this role.  

In subsequent discussions with Mr Steven Austin Vautier it was agreed that Mr Gradwell and Mr Kellet would assist the staff from BDO Alto in relation to matters of ‘police procedure and practice.’  It should be noted that Mr Kellet was engaged to carry out work for the SOJP in accordance with the terms of reference prescribed by the Strategic Coordinating Group, under the direct supervision of Mr Gradwell. Their role in relation to the work commissioned by the Home Affairs Department was limited to providing assistance. 



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To identify the reasons why the Senior Investigating Officer for Operation Rectangle was not interviewed during the review and was not given the opportunity to respond to the report’s findings; 


The work conducted by BDO Alto was commissioned by the Home Affairs Department. I am therefore unable to shed any further light on the fact that Mr Harper was not given the opportunity to respond to the reports findings. 

For the sake of completeness it may help the Scrutiny Panel to highlight the following which may clarify why certain issues have become conflated. 

Throughout the review by BDO Alto and the Internal Review I maintained a position based on legal advice and experience that the Wiltshire Enquiry should take primacy over other investigations and that no action should be taken which would prejudice, or undermine that enquiry. The only exception would be in the event that criminal offences were identified where the States of Jersey Police would assume primacy.  

During the course of the internal SOJP review I became aware that either Mr Gradwell or Mr Kellet had apparently agreed with BDO Alto Ltd. that there should be a joint report produced in response to the Internal Review commissioned by myself and the Review by BDO Alto Ltd.  I had not approved this, nor was it in accordance with the agreed terms of reference. 

In meetings initially with Mr Gradwell and subsequently with Mr Kellet I made my position clear that I had not commissioned a joint report, nor did I consider such an approach appropriate. Furthermore having seen sections of the draft reports prepared by Mr Kellet there were matters which I considered were more relevant to the Wiltshire Enquiry particularly as they concerned Mr Power. Having considered aspects of the draft report I was also concerned at the methodology adopted, namely that evidence was used to reach conclusions despite the fact that key witnesses had not been deposed in writing. 

It is fully accepted that Mr Kellet requested permission to interview the former Deputy Chief Officer Mr Harper prior to the completion of the report. Based on what I have previously described and on the basis of the advice I received from Mr Moore I did not think it was appropriate for him to do so as a result of which I told Mr Kellet not to interview Mr Harper at that time. 

Indeed I did not feel it was appropriate for Mr Kellet to carry out any further work as my original instructions had not been complied with and the review had become overly focused on Mr Harper, lacked objectivity, had the potential to be unfair to Mr Power and could have seriously undermined the investigation by Wiltshire Police. 

Mr Kellet was unhappy with my decision and expressed concern that some of his findings were likely to be suppressed, albeit he was apparently unaware that his reports had been submitted to Wiltshire Police for consideration and that I had received legal advice based on those reports which raised concern at some of the content. 

I  pointed out to Mr Kellet that there were in addition to those matters identified above further legal and operational considerations which supported my decision not to allow him to interview Mr Harper.  

In summary, therefore, my intervention related to the SOJP internal review and not the BDO Alto report and I am unable to shed any further light on the fact that Mr Harper was not given the opportunity to respond to the reports findings.  



To clarify the liaison between the review of financial management  and the Wiltshire Police Investigation, in particular the references in the BDO Alto report to the Senior Investigating Officer’s statements to Wiltshire Police; 

I am unable to advise the panel what if any liaison took place between BDO Alto and the Wiltshire Enquiry nor can I assist further concerning any statements made by the Senior Investigating Officer. 


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To investigate how details of the review into the financial management of Operation Rectangle came to be published in a national newspaper in October 2009; and   • To consider the implications of the Sub Panel’s findings. 

Members of the Scrutiny panel will  recall that there had been considerable disclosure of sensitive material to the media and the public from a variety of sources during 2008 and 2009. Such disclosures are wrong and can constitute an illegal act. I do not and have never condoned or agreed with such disclosures, which only serve to undermine the rule of law and the standards by which public and private organisations should operate. 

With regard to the publication of information in a National newspaper in October 2009 I cannot assist the panel further with this matter. I can assure the panel that I have no knowledge of the leak or whether any documents were made available to the media. The panel will be aware of the extensive verbal disclosures which were made by Mr Gradwell to the media on his departure from Jersey. It will have been noted that within these disclosures reference was made to matters similar to those contained in the BDO Alto report.  


The disclosures by Mr Gradwell to the media on his departure from Jersey were not 
authorised or approved by myself or any other person in the States of Jersey Police. They were made without my knowledge, were inappropriate and could have jeapoardised the objectivity and fairness of the Wiltshire Enquiry. 

It is not within my knowledge who was responsible or what information was given to the media in October 2009. I can state that the States of Jersey police did not approve or authorise any such disclosure. 

I trust that the information provided will assist the Scrutiny panel in its considerations.  

In reviewing these matters I hope the panel will also consider the broader implications of such issues for benefit of good governance in Jersey, good governance which is frequently undermined by the use of information for personal gain, to circumvent the rule of law and to undermine the legitimacy of those who are responsible for the effective administration of the Island. 



Yours sincerely 


David Warcup QPM 



These are some pointers



1. Here is David Warcup telling us  that  Mike Kellett is being called in to do the SOJP Review.  

"In addition to agreeing the purpose and terms of reference, it was also agreed that an individual would be appointed to carry out the review under the supervision of Detective Superintendent Gradwell. Subsequently Mr Mike Kellet was appointed to fulfill this role. " 

"In subsequent discussions with Mr Steven Austin Vautier it was agreed that Mr Gradwell and Mr Kellet would assist the staff from BDO Alto in relation to matters of ‘police procedure and practice.’  It should be noted that Mr Kellet was engaged to carry out work for the SOJP in accordance with the terms of reference prescribed by the Strategic Coordinating Group, under the direct supervision of Mr Gradwell. Their role in relation to the work commissioned by the Home Affairs Department was limited to providing assistance." 


2.  David Warcup did not block BDO Alto from interviewing Lenny Harper

"The work conducted by BDO Alto was commissioned by the Home Affairs Department. I am therefore unable to shed any further light on the fact that Mr Harper was not given the opportunity to respond to the reports findings." 

 He then contradicts Himself

"Throughout the review by BDO Alto and the Internal Review I maintained a position based on legal advice and experience that the Wiltshire Enquiry should take primacy over other investigations and that no action should be taken which would prejudice, or undermine that enquiry. The only exception would be in the event that criminal offences were identified where the States of Jersey Police would assume primacy."  



This whole  Warcup submission when placed against Kellett and BDO leaves me with a mountain of work


Rico Sorda


Team Voice


(for the denver gals)

97 comments:

thejerseyway said...

Hi Rico.

Just put up some more speeches from the Vote of censure on the Chief Minister. You can Listen to them HERE

Anonymous said...

Great work Rico. Who was giving Warcup legal advice?

Ian Evans said...

Another great posting Rico, and well done for your testimony at the scrutiny hearing, you spoke very well mate.

You should become a SPIN DOCTOR

Anonymous said...

It appears to me, to be a 'slip-up' and then 'cover-up' via confusion!! Now where has confusion been used before, oh yea, TOR 'd'. Oh what a shambles, if only all the time, money and effort used to undermine the abuse inquiry had been used to obtain justice for a lot more abuse victims.

Anonymous said...

"Could the JEP refuse a full page advert of Ricos findings.

I am sure people would donate to costs."

OMG, simples!!! Count me in towards the costs, I can give app 500 towards this, every penny spent wisely me thinks! Rico, go for it!!!

Anonymous said...

Mike Kellett does not come across as confused. He had a job which was the BDO report.
He didn't see Terms of ref on SOJP review why would he. No confusion here.

When he was blocked from speaking to Lenny Harper why would he believe it was for the SOJP. He was not involved in SOJP review. No confusion on his part.

I feel the SOJP review is bound to confuse, it's excuses to cover their ass in trying to make sense of the actions of Mr. Warcup and whoever is involved in wanting rid of Mr. Power.
I would not underestimate Mr. Le Marquand ability to act the bumbling idiot giving credence to the convenient, badly told confusion.

Anonymous said...

Rico,

We are sorry if we really caused you to work yourself any harder than you already would, but we sure do appreciate the new posting. We have had too much caffeine now, and will probably stay up late enough (Denver time) to catch your early morning updates.

Your efforts on this have been just spectacular. You may not realize how many readers you have from word of mouth over here, but it is quite a few and growing.

Given the NOTW scandal and the involvement of the Met in London, perhaps there will eventually be more outside scrutiny of this scandal as well. There are some noticeable parallels which should attract UK reporters if they bother looking. It would be an easier story or book for someone to write since you've done the investigative work and asked the right questions.

We look forward to tomorrow's postings and hope you'll get plenty of sleep.

Cheers from Denver!

Anonymous said...

Where was Warcups legal advice coming from?

Mr Power & W arcup both QPM holders,if one is found to be acting illegaly or in a manner not fitting of a QPM can this title be taken away from the holder?

Anonymous said...

I too am confused at ILMs confusion. Afterall, it was he who acted as judge jury and executioner when giving his side of a disciplinary action to the jersey excuse for media. He didn't seem so confused then so why should he be confused now. Stinks to me like he his attempting to act the bumbling fool who through now fault of his own was not aware of the true facts. Well, remember when he bumbles allong that this man was a judge and forgive me if a am wrong but you need to be fairy intelligent to get that job. So forgive me if i dont believe a word of his bumblings and so called confusion, its an excuse in my opinion and his so called get kout of jail free card.

Anonymous said...

Do not forget, as ILM once said (in reviewing Graham Power's suspension - or not as the case may be). One has to take advice, but does not have to act on it, they can make there own considered decision- ie: if someone was to give bad legal advice and someone acted on it, the person making the decision takes the wrap!!

rico sorda said...

"Mike Kellett does not come across as confused. He had a job which was the BDO report."

Im not taking everything Mike Kellett said at face value. There were times when he looked very uncomfortable. Im waiting for the transcripts and no doubt David Warcup will be also. If David Warcup can back up what he is saying with some physical evidence then we will be seeing Mike Kellett and BDO back in front of the Scrutiny Panel.

"He didn't see Terms of ref on SOJP review why would he. No confusion here."


Documented evidence is what we now need. The Scrutiny Panel should be screaming for it. Did David Warcup record his meetings with Gradwell and Kellett? What influence did Gradwell have over Kellett? We know what Gradwell was up to.

If DW left it all to Mick Gradwell then I can see why the shambles ensued;

"in subsequent discussions with Mr Steven Austin Vautier it was agreed that Mr Gradwell and Mr Kellet would assist the staff from BDO Alto in relation to matters of ‘police procedure and practice.’ It should be noted that Mr Kellet was engaged to carry out work for the SOJP in accordance with the terms of reference prescribed by the Strategic Coordinating Group, under the direct supervision of Mr Gradwell. Their role in relation to the work commissioned by the Home Affairs Department was limited to providing assistance."

This is why the transcripts are so important

rs

rico sorda said...

Don't get me wrong and I would be the last person making excuses for Senator ILM but what im saying is with all his pompous arrogance he probably thought that he was being informed of all the toxic decisions that were being made. I believe he now realizes that he wasn't in the loop as much as he thought he was.

He and Ozouf are no different in many ways

I will never forget William Bailhache laughing at the ILM Kangaroo placard - they are just the court jesters who do their masters dirty work

History will record their actions

rs

Anonymous said...

"Im not taking everything Mike Kellett said at face value."

Good

Anonymous said...

Concerning BDO getting sight of LH Wiltshire statement you said on an earlier post

" Looking at what has gone on you can see that there is a clear overlap between the work of Wiltshire and BDO and a case could be made out for sharing information. But I have also been informed that it would have to be made out, agreed and signed off. Also, people providing information to either enquiry ought to be told that it was to be shared. Someone ought to be able to produce the written agreement or Memorandom Of Understanding between Wiltshire and BDO which specifies the basis on which information is being shared."

Rico, did any of this appear from Mike Kellett or BDO?

Anonymous said...

" BDO has worked alongside Mr Michael Kellett in performing this Review. Mr Kellett is a former senior Investigating Officer serving in the UK, who also set up the North West Regional Asset Recovery Team. He has been separately engaged by the Acting Chief Officer , SOJP; however this report represents the joint findings of Mr Kellett and BDO"

This is from the BDO Report. It kind of backs up what David Warcup is saying. Mike Kellett was separately engaged by David Warcup & BDO are saying they worked alongside Mike Kellet this is backing up what David Warcup put in his submission. Don't for one minute believe what David Warcup has said not to be true on the issues raised.

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

I hope to have the video of you giving evidence to the Scrutiny Panel published later today.

What was revealed on Friday at the hearing was just astonishing. Notwithstanding ILM appearing to know nothing and forgetting everything, the contradictions of Kellet's/Warcup's submission etc.

What came across more than anything else is that Scrutiny are finally involved in something meaningful. Attempts have been made to remove the Chairman of the Panel and at least one Panel Member, their are some very uncomfortable people around right now.

This is Scrutiny at its best, hell it's even exciting! Members of the public are engaged, not just by giving evidence, like yourself, but by turning up to the hearings this is unprecedented. Scrutiny is breaking new ground under the chairmanship of Deputy Trevor Pitman, just by doing what it is supposed to do.

Anonymous said...

What I meant in posting Mike Kellett is not confused, as I was not at the hearing, I based my opinion on that of the written assesment of BDO Alto 19 above.

IMr. Le Marquand was also in the loop from very early on

Anonymous said...

Maybe you could do the piece to the JEP as a letter ''a la Mr. Senior Shenton style'' As an endorsement to the victims of institutional child abuse and get a free editorial.

Would you enquire as to cost of insertion if they dont go for the ''Shenton style letter endorsement''?

Anonymous said...

ILM turned up to that scrutiny meeting as though he did'nt have a care in the world.

He sat down and took everything that was thrown at him and didnt really answer much or make much sense and most the time looked bemused and somewhat relaxed.

Could this be because he isn't taking the panel of four, sorry three seriously and knows that when the panel come to their conclusions, and recommedations are made....

ILM knows thats all they can do is come to conclusions and make recommendations!?

rico sorda said...

I had a little chat with the Senator before going in, what I found from the ILM is that the brashness of 2009/10 has gone.

"He sat down and took everything that was thrown at him and didnt really answer much or make much sense and most the time looked bemused and somewhat relaxed"

I have never been in a Scrutiny hearing with ILM before but I heard that that was probably his worst. He looked very uncomfortable and the brief video footage I have viewed backs that up.

Remember in 2009 David Warcup was his man

rs

rico sorda said...

Im not entertaining the JEP in any shape or form they should be in the dock for partaking in the cover-up of Child Abuse

rs

rico sorda said...

By Dolores Cowburn


Home Affairs Minister Ian Le Marquand.
HOME Affairs Minister Ian Le Marquand will resign if States Members do not back David Warcup as the next police chief.

The Senator warned yesterday that if acting chief officer Mr Warcup was not appointed by the States, he would accept that the House had no confidence in his ministry and would quit. He was speaking after a hearing with the Education and Home Affairs Scrutiny panel yesterday.

The panel wanted to find out why the proposition for Mr Warcup’s appointment had been progressed while current police chief Graham Power remains suspended.

The panel, chaired by Deputy Roy Le Hérissier, asked the Senator whether he would delay the proposition regarding Mr Warcup’s appointment until Mr Power’s retirement in July. The Senator refused and said that he would have started the process for a new chief officer even if Mr Power was still in office, as the department needed continuity.

Anonymous said...

So much was said at that meeting that unless you were taking notes then its difficult to accurately recollect what was said. So I have to ask this.
Did I hear that BOTH Corbin and Kellet had tried to persuade Gradwell(or was it Warcup) to allow them to talk to Harper. If I heard this correctly then it would be clear that THE refusal WAS for the Bdo investigation.

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

Another "curious" aspect to all this is in the whole of the UK the only non conflicted, impartial and independent Police Officer Mick Gradwell could find to take part in this review was a friend of his for twenty five years!

Curious, very, very curio.

GeeGee said...

Rico - ref your Denver commentor I too was thinking that the parallels of our media/police/government with the current NOTW scandal are quite uncanny. And of course if I may make mention of the Stepping Hill Hospital affair and Nurse M.

Why do our 'dis'credited media and government make every effort to distort and keep the true facts from the public? I have always maintained that sooner or later the truth will out, and the last few days are showing that slowly, slowly this is happening. Not so much a drip, drip now, but a gently running stream.

Yes, these last two Scrutiny meetings have certainly been quite a revelation, and I agree with VFC - this is what it should be all about. Full marks to Deputies Pitman, Wimberley and Le Herissier.

Finally, I would say that there were a couple of occasions when Mike Kellet's body language and hesitancy showed he was uncomfortable. However for me the most telling response he gave (or did not really, was when Deputy Pitman asked him at the end why he thought Gradwell had behaved as he had. He said that whilst he thought he knew the reason he did not feel that stating it in the environment he was in at that time was appropriate.

I think it was easy for those who heard that to guess (rightly or wrongly) what he meant!

rico sorda said...

"Did I hear that BOTH Corbin and Kellet had tried to persuade Gradwell(or was it Warcup) to allow them to talk to Harper. If I heard this correctly then it would be clear that THE refusal WAS for the Bdo investigation"

This where the confusion is coming in.

We need the transcripts

It's all conflicting the question must be asked why? Why is it all a mess?

During the week when the transcripts go online will will then be taking a very close look.

rs

Ian Evans said...

"During the week when the transcripts go online will will then be taking a very close look."

Rico
Remember my case???

If they can doctor trial tapes before an appeal, they can sure as hell doctor anything.

Be mindful of this, and check your notes with EVERYONE ELSES!!!

rico sorda said...

I have 100% faith in the Integrity of the Scrutiny Officers and the lady who does the transcribing.

Cant say much more than that

rs

Anonymous said...

Finally, I would say that there were a couple of occasions when Mike Kellet's body language and hesitancy showed he was uncomfortable. However for me the most telling response he gave (or did not really, was when Deputy Pitman asked him at the end why he thought Gradwell had behaved as he had. He said that whilst he thought he knew the reason he did not feel that stating it in the environment he was in at that time was appropriate.

I think it was easy for those who heard that to guess (rightly or wrongly) what he meant!


Odd how people can come up with conflicting opinions. I felt that Kellett looked relaxed.
As for hom not wanting to give his opinion re Gradwell...I got the impression that he simply meant that did not want to start off speculation based on his personal opinion. Only Grabwell knows why he did what he did...maybe:)

Anonymous said...

Have not read Bdo report
Have not read JEP's attack on the Hdlg expenses based on Bdo.
Would like to read both.
Where can i find them.
I am just a little perplexed as to how a report,which contained a few negative comments,and which Bdo claim was purely an audit report, and NOT a personal attack on the head of the investigation, turned into a scathing personal attack in the JEP. Did Bdo severly castigate the investigators,or was that a JEP invention.

Anonymous said...

In the weeks following my appointment I became concerned regarding a range of matters concerning the conduct of the enquiry says Warcup... Nothing was ever proved and Power and Harper retired with no charges or proof of any wrongdoing.!!!

Ian Evans said...

PLAYING WITH THE SHEEP

Anonymous said...

Rico, one very simple question. When this was all going on down at the Police Station who was the man in charge? Where does the buck stop? All kind of things appear to have been going on under Dave & Mick

rico sorda said...

The JEP can be viewed in the States Library. The date for the article in question is July 15th 2010.

BDO ALTO

Anonymous said...

It would be great if someone could photocopy and type up the JEP article. I did intend saving that copy when article appeared but cannot seem to find where I put it.

rico sorda said...

A very interesting post from Tony's Musings.

http://tonymusings.blogspot.com/2009/01/lenny-harper-breaking-news.html


I remember BDO saying that they had listed a load of reasons why they believed Lenny Harper wouldn't assist them with their enquiry with the exception of actually asking him, this was apparently contained in their submission.

When quizzed by Daniel Wimberly on this issue Mr Corbin from BDO said that they had read on "thisisjersey online" that Lenny Harper had refused to return to Jersey over issues relating to his day books.

Oh ok then

lol

rs

rico sorda said...

Haut de la Garenne dig was ‘waste of time’
By Diane Simon


Det Supt Mick Gradwell.

THE excavation of Haut de la Garenne was a complete waste of public money, time and effort, the senior police officer who led the historical abuse inquiry for the past year has said.

Det Supt Mick Gradwell, who left the Island yesterday when his contract ended, told the JEP that there was no justification for the police excavating at Haut de la Garenne as part of the abuse inquiry.

Mr Gradwell said that there had been no hard evidence or intelligence indicating that such a search should take place.

Until that decision was made, the inquiry, led by his predecessor, deputy police chief Lenny Harper, had been run more along UK policy lines, he said.

Mr Gradwell said that once the excavation was begun, things started to go wrong and he was left with a ‘poorly managed mess’ to sort out.

• See Saturday’s JEP for full story.

Article posted on 29th August, 2009 - 3.00pm


Read more: http://www.thisisjersey.com/2009/08/29/haut-de-la-garenne-dig-was-waste-of-time/#ixzz1SNsI2HMb

So, lets check out what the senior investigating officer of the historic child abuse investigation was up to on leaving his post.

Interview with the JEP on the 29th August 2009

Interview with CTV that went out on the 1st -3rd September 2009

Leaking to Journalist David Rose on the 4th October 2009

This was all done off his own back

Bolloxs

I will be checking that interview out tomorrow

This is making me very angry

rs

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

Jersey's media called into question by Bloggers at SCRUTINY HEARING.

Anonymous said...

This is what Mick Gradwell said to a lancashire reporter last month


: “There’s no mystery about what I’ve said.

"I thought it was a shambles with no financial management.

“I don’t regard that as a leak, though having worked there I’m not surprised at this.

“I’m on record as quoting information from the report.

"I released it when asked the questions on TV, online and in the papers.

“I didn’t leak a report. After I left I said my version of what happened including a mass overspend, a poorly-managed fiasco where the lead detective made unnecessary trips and took his notes with him.”

And a mate of 25yrs was working with him on the BDO Report

Anonymous said...

July 17, 2011 9:52 PM

This is what Mick Gradwell said to a lancashire reporter last month

: “There’s no mystery about what I’ve said.

“I’m on record as quoting information from the report.

"I released it when asked the questions on TV, online and in the papers.

“I didn’t leak a report.

End of

Rico you burst the tin open and people are getting involved like a game show, on a very serious subject.

They are looking, reading and checking information and adding wonderful observations like anonymous above. I would think they are also telling their friends in restaurants and in the pub and at work about the weird and wonderful goings on we are witnessing.

The train has left the station thanks to you, and there is no stopping it now

Boatyboy.

Ian Evans said...

The very pinnacle of cut and thrust JEP REPORTING in Jersey.... By Andy Sibcy

Ian Evans said...

One of LENNY's LETTERS

Anonymous said...

Re: Boatyboy's comment about spreading the word.

When the H.d.l.G. story was in the international news a few years back, there were probably very few of us in Colorado (USA) who were following it. One of us heard about it from UK guests who came here to assist other volunteers on the Obama campaign, and a couple of friends discovered Stuart Syvret's blog. What happened as the investigation became contaminated with disreputable political management and PR spin, was the same few people became outraged and told yet others about it, especially friends who often met at the same place for coffee.

The local Jersey media has no influence on us outsiders, so there was never any belief in their spin against Harper and Power or Syvret. We only knew of Jersey's media from the blogs. A small number of us would meet in that neighborhood coffee shop and make jokes about how astonishingly bad the JEP was, but we were always puzzled by the role of the Jersey BBC, whose inaccuracies and bias we thought would be corrected by their London Headquarters, eventually. But sadly, no.

After Rico, Ian, VFC, TJW, and occasional others began to blog about this, we followed their updates, always assuming the true story would somehow explode in the international media again. We have become outraged as we have seen what whistleblowers, honest policemen, bloggers and abuse survivors have been subjected to. Jersey is such a small place, we thought a few individuals even over here might have a role to play in supporting them, maybe making a positive difference.

All we do is try to spread the word to neighbors, family, friends and outside contacts, or anyone else who will listen. We have written to numerous media outlets and organizations - only some have replied - but we believe we may have helped correct the record at CNN regarding the coconut, since they withdrew that one story from their online archive! We were able to get Nick Shaxson to blog about Lenny Harper's affidavit recently, and have been in personal contact with reporters, British bloggers and non-fiction authors any one of whom may, eventually, make a difference.

This has been an enlightening effort for us, only for the price of too much fancy coffee and some very late nights with a shared laptop. All of us engage in other volunteer, or family or work activities, but this has captured our hearts. We stay positive because we see what a very few people in Jersey, like Rico, have done without even having personal ties to the abuse cases and it keeps us inspired. Mostly, we hate to think of the abuse survivors feeling as children that no one cared, and then believing they would finally see justice, only to have their allies attacked, threatened and even arrested.

Yeah, there are so many ways to help support this effort by speaking to others about it. We try to make one new contact and supportive blog comment or other media comment per day, and that is really not too much for anyone to do. We are absolutely certain the truth will be exposed on a much wider scale because of what you are accomplishing in Jersey, and we will not give up either.

You guys rock!

Anonymous said...

"In reviewing these matters I hope the panel will also consider the broader implications of such issues for benefit of good governance in Jersey, good governance which is frequently undermined by the use of information for personal gain, to circumvent the rule of law and to undermine the legitimacy of those who are responsible for the effective administration of the Island."- Warcup

What the **** does he mean? Is he suggesting that your use of information (fact) could undermine the legitimacy of the oligarchy? Is this a subtle reminder to the Scrutiny Committee to take extra care to keep the information from doing any undermining? Because those are the "broader implications," of the truth getting out.

As to circumventing "the rule of law," evidence suggests he made a brief career out of doing exactly that in Jersey, on behalf of a system which makes circumvention of the rule of law a high ideal.

Rob Kent said...

Warcup, "to undermine the legitimacy of those who are responsible for the effective administration of the Island"

There is the argument for censorship right there! Of course, any valid criticism of anyone 'in authority' could be seen from one perspective as 'undermining their legitimacy'.

But to deny people the right to investigate and criticise what is done in their name and with their money is to undermine the legitimacy of the State completely.

Of course, Warcup and his ilk would like to be left alone to pursue their nefarious activities without the annoyance of well-informed critics making a nuisance of themselves. In which case, get a job in North Korea, Iran, China - where critics can be locked up for saying things unpopular with the powers that be.

Anyway, even if the administration has done nothing wrong, it is still an essential ingredient of a free society that people can lampoon and ridicule them. It is a healthy counterbalance to the tendency of powerful people to become arrogant, pompous, and overpowerful.

Without the Hogarths, the Gilrais, the Scarfes, and the Steve Bells, they would lord it over us like preening nincompoops with their cockatoo hats and their ermine underpants.

As I recall, it was Warcup who blamed the bloggers for the fact that he could not stay in Jersey and take the permanent position of Chief of Police. What he really meant was: 'Damn! It looks like the truth is going to come out.'

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

So Mick Gradwell told, I think it was the Lancashire Telegraph “I didn’t leak a report."

But Mike Kellett told the Scrutiny Panel that Gradwell told him over the phone that he did leak the report.

So it's pretty safe to say that somebody's telling porches?

Anonymous said...

quote fro Gradwell
I thought it was a shambles with no financial management

Having read through the Bdo report I can understand why he remarked that there was no financial management.
I am puzzled as to what he means by shambles,considering all the mentoring that was being given by proffesional UK police organisations.

Anonymous said...

Haut de la Garenne dig was ‘waste of time’
By Diane Simon


Det Supt Mick Gradwell.

THE excavation of Haut de la Garenne was a complete waste of public money, time and effort, the senior police officer who led the historical abuse inquiry for the past year has said.

Det Supt Mick Gradwell, who left the Island yesterday when his contract ended, told the JEP that there was no justification for the police excavating at Haut de la Garenne as part of the abuse inquiry.

Mr Gradwell said that there had been no hard evidence or intelligence indicating that such a search should take place.

Until that decision was made, the inquiry, led by his predecessor, deputy police chief Lenny Harper, had been run more along UK policy lines, he said.

Mr Gradwell said that once the excavation was begun, things started to go wrong and he was left with a ‘poorly managed mess’ to sort out.


very interesting, what influence did Gradwell have during the BDO Review? Could he have asserted presssure on his old friend Kellett to get the Report he wanted?

Anonymous said...

Let no one forget that Graham Power and Lenny Harper are both on record as saying they needed a proper budget for the investigation and that they needed expert financial assistance.
They were told in no uncertain terms that they could not have a budget and that there were to be no financial constraints on their expenditure.
They were also told that they could not have expert financial assistance, despite repeated requests.
So - where does the blame truly lie?

rico sorda said...

29th August 2009 Mick Gradwell JEP

"It was if those complainants had been told to expect to receive a million pounds and I came along and only had £1 pound to give them"

"Whilst I have been working on the inquiry I have received great assistance from memebers the Jersey Care Leavers Association and iM grateful for that"

Asked about a future "COI" GRADWELL SAYS

"As an SIO i expect to be called to give evidence and I PROMISE i WILL DO THAT"

oK, he is the only one who hasn't submitted any evidence so far..

Plus no mention of the BDO or it's findings in this interview.....

rs

Anonymous said...

"It was if those complainants had been told to expect to receive a million pounds and I came along and only had £1 pound to give them"

All the money which has been wasted on a futile attempt to cover up crimes committed against little children could have been spent on healing their blighted lives, with plenty left over.

Zoompad

Anonymous said...

"It was if those complainants had been told to expect to receive a million pounds and I came along and only had £1 pound to give them"

Put another way. The complainants chance of receiving justice (receiving a million pounds) was taken away from victims, the minute evidence was leaked to uk and local media, exposed to media in the local tv studio, during an on going enquiry.

Why is Mr. Gradwell comparing victims situation with talk of money?

rico sorda said...

Ramsey Cudlipp has done a good piece in tonight's JEP concerning the BDO Alto Report

Also, I hear that Senator ILM has been clutching at straws in the States again today, couldn't say a word at Scrutiny.

Why is BBC Jersey pro-active in the Trashing of Child Abuse Investigation? Can anyone out there answer this question.

When Gradwell was exposed as being the leak they didn't mention a thing.

Today is nail Harper Time

Why is BBC Jersey in team Cover-up? I know it's still a rabid right wing station but surely it cant be just that.

This BDO investigation is exposing loads and they know it

rs

Anonymous said...

Rico

YOU'VE CAUGHT THEM OUT! That's all there is to it now and the rats are starting to stab each other in the back.

Very good and persuasive comment by Rob Kent. If he expanded on that a little, it would make a fine editorial in any respectable newspaper. Even if there aren't many of those left.

Elle

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

Here is the e-mail I sent BBC Radio Jersey. It won't get read out and I won't get a reply.


from voiceforchildren voiceforchildren voiceforchildren@googlemail.com
to bbc radio jersey
date Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:53 PM
subject State Controlled Media
mailed-by googlemail.com

BBC.

Could you let me know if it is just poor "journalism" on Christie Tuckers behalf or it was intentional to mention the name of Lenny Harper with the NOTW and NOT to mention the name of Mick Gradwell with leaking confidential reports to the Daily Mail and local media?

VFC.

--
http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/

http://voiceforjersey.blogspot.com/

http://voiceforprotest.blogspot.com/

Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/TheVoiceJersey

Ian Evans said...

JEP Reports, but no RICO SORDA TESTIMONY was mentioned!!!

rico sorda said...

What is it with the Shentons & Lenny Harper this is where im now looking as this holds the key to so much trashing of the historical child abuse investigation.

Meanwhile

WRITTEN QUESTION TO THE MINISTER FOR HOME AFFAIRS
BY DEPUTY T.M. PITMAN OF ST. HELIER
ANSWER TO BE TABLED ON TUESDAY 5th JULY 2011

Question

Given that the Minister has stated that he was already aware - prior to my question in the States - of the alleged 'leak' to a UK journalist of material from a then uncompleted and unpublished confidential audit report into the financial management of the historic abuse inquiry, will the Minister outline how he identified the individual he alleges leaked the information; what action he took as a result; further still, why this information and that this serious incident had taken place was not made available to States members or the general public?

Answer

I am concerned that Deputy T Pitman is asking a question, part of which implies that he has formed an opinion that I should have taken certain action at a particular time.

I became aware in October 2009 that some confidential information had been provided to a UK journalist as the result of enquiries by a member of staff of the Home Affairs Department. Those enquiries revealed that, although a draft report existed at that time, it was most likely that what had been provided was information contained in the working notes of a former senior police officer from the UK, who had been employed by the States of Jersey Police to work alongside the
accountants who were producing the financial review for the Minister of Home Affairs.


I regret that in an answer to an oral question from Deputy T Pitman on 6 June 2011 I failed to clarify this detail. That was partly because my answer focussed on the question of who had revealed information and not on the question of what was revealed and partly because I was then
not clear as to what had been provided to the UK journalist.

The further enquiries also revealed that the person likely to have provided the information was the former Senior Investigating Officer who had left Jersey in August 2009. Prior to leaving Jersey, that officer had given extensive interviews to the press in Jersey which had led to very substantial publicity. This officer was seconded to Jersey from another police force and had retired from that force and therefore could not be made subject to disciplinary proceedings anywhere. Furthermore, it was already very well known in Jersey that this officer had provided extensive information to the press in Jersey and I did not view this matter as being a significant extension of that.

By the time the issue was raised with me in May 2011 I had completely forgotten that this incident had occurred, and I have had to refresh my memory by reference to the written record in 2009. Indeed, it is only as a result of preparing this answer that I have become aware of the detail of the situation

rico sorda said...

You will know that Senator Shenton is dead against the BDO Report Scrutiny Review, his missus called Harper Lenny Henry, He was even interviewed by Wiltshire for making a complaint about Graham Power, he calls me a plastic pipe fitting manual worker, he has been seriously caught out with an old Blog, Ben & Dick have been trashing Harper & Power since day one they don't give a toss that kids were abused, one simple question

WHY?

WRITTEN QUESTION TO THE MINISTER FOR HOME AFFAIRS
BY SENATOR B.E. SHENTON
ANSWER TO BE TABLED ON MONDAY 18th JULY 2011

Question

Given the revelations in respect of journalistic practises of the News of the World, coupled with the disclosure that a journalist from the newspaper was entertained at a top London restaurant at the height of the Haut de la Garenne investigation by the then Deputy Chief Officer, is the Minister satisfied that all future dealings with the media will be handled in a professional manner. Does he have any evidence to show whether any underhand practices were undertaken by the News of the World when investigating the Haut de la Garenne allegations?


Answer

I am very concerned that the News of the World is referred to twice in the independent reports which I have received in relation to the Haut de la Garenne investigation.

The first occasion was on the morning of the day on which the first press conference was held by the then Deputy Chief Officer and Senior Investigating Officer. On that morning, 23 February 2008, a News of the World photographer was found in the bushes at Haut de la Garenne. In my view, there must have been some leak of information to that newspaper prior to that date.

However, much more concerning is the incident referred to which took place on 1 May 2008 when a female News of the World reporter, together with a number of police officers who were involved with the case were entertained by the then Deputy Chief Officer and Senior
Investigating Officer at an expensive London restaurant at a cost of £699.00. It is very concerning that subsequently a female reporter from the News of the World produced an article which made references a) to “HELLFIRE Jersey Homes dossier to reveal children were murdered
……. then burnt” and b) to “a SHOCK secret police report into the Jersey House of Hell Children’s Home reveals youngsters there WERE murdered then BURNED in a furnace to COVER UP the atrocities”. The report then goes on to reveal various details which are very likely to have been provided by a Police Officer or Officers. The full text of the Article is duplicated on a number of websites.

I am satisfied that the current leadership of the States of Jersey Police acts and will act in a proper and professional manner in relation to its dealings with the press.

However, I can never exclude the possibility of individual Police Officers improperly leaking information to the press.

I do not have any evidence of underhand practices being undertaken by the News of the World in relation to the Haut de la Garenn investigation but doubt as to whether this would have been necessary in the light both of the nature of police press conferences and other provision of
confidential information which characterised the early stages of this investigation. end


I know I have them worried. What is it Ben, I just cant put my finger on it yet, but I will.

rs

rico sorda said...

WRITTEN QUESTION TO THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
COMMITTEE BY DEPUTY T.M. PITMAN OF ST. HELIER

ANSWER TO BE TABLED ON TUESDAY 5th JULY 2011

Question

Given that the Education and Home Affairs Scrutiny Panel are about to undertake a review relating to wider related issues did PAC ever examine the report written by BDO Alto into the management of the Historical Abuse Inquiry expenditure; if not, why not? Further still, would the Committee undertake to scrutinize the expenditure incurred by the Wiltshire Constabulary in their investigation(s) surrounding the inquiry - including Operation Blast - and submit a report to the
States outlining its findings?


Answer

Both the PAC and the C&AG received copies of the report written by BDO Alto into the management of the Historical Abuse Inquiry expenditure and in July 2010 the C&AG published a report “Historic Child Abuse Enquiry – Public Finances Law 2005”. Weaknesses in the current Accounting Officer arrangements had been identified prior to the publication of the BDO Alto report and this lead to the recommendation by the C&AG that an independent police authority be
established – a view supported by the Public Accounts Committee.


This was progressed by the Minister for Home Affairs following consideration by a Working Group that included Deputy Pitman.

The Proposition P192/2010 – Jersey Police Authority: Establishment was lodged by the Minister on the 21st December, 2010 and debated on the 2nd February, 2011. It was unanimously passed with 48 votes in favour, no abstentions, and no votes against.

The Chairman of the Public Accounts Committee was interviewed by the Wiltshire Constabulary as he had made an official compliant concerning the former Chief Officer Graham Power and would therefore be conflicted in any such investigation of the BDO Alto findings. However no other politicians or independent members on the PAC proposed a specific review at the time of the BDO Alto report's publication.

The matter will be discussed at the next full Public Accounts Committee meeting in July and it is not possible at this stage to confirm whether a report with, or will not, be undertaken. However the Public Account Committee would be pleased to hear from the questioner what meaningful benefit to good government may be achieved by carrying out another review which will ultimately be funded by the taxpayer. It should be noted that the BDO Alto report received widespread publicity, including a great deal of published detail. Therefore it is not clear to the PAC what could be achieved by a further investigation.


Here he is again - Shenton now being Interviewed by Wiltshire because of a complaint he made against Graham Power

Everywhere I turn in my investigations the same name keeps cropping up

SHENTON

rs

rico sorda said...

http://ricosorda.blogspot.com/2010/04/ashamed-to-come-from-jersey.html

RS

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

What could BDO/Kellett have seen in Lenny Harper's STATEMENT TO WILTSHIRE?

Anonymous said...

"It should be noted that the BDO Alto report received widespread publicity, including a great deal of published detail. Therefore it is not clear to the PAC what could be achieved by a further investigation." - CHAIRMAN OF THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE

That "widespread publicity" the BDO Alto Report received directly contradicted the facts and overall findings of those involved. The publicity was media misrepresentation to a scandalous degree.

Elle

Anonymous said...

PAC should investigate to get truth for the public.

It is a matter of public importance to consider the use of public funds.

Wiltshire were appointed to undertake a misconduct investigation before given Mr. Power the right of reply to allegations that now amount to rumour innuendo and lies. No charges were brought and Mr. Power left with his reputation intact. With recent claims made toward Mr. Warcup one has to wonder why so much money spent covering up.

Was this investigation in the PUBLIC interest based on the work Mr. Power was prevented doing. given the eventual outcome of no misconduct charges?

Mr. Shenton should declare an interest as he made complaint to Wilshire. Email Lenny Harper (Henry)

Dick said...

Shenton - the man who disappears - just about every States sitting! Stop his wages NOW!

Anonymous said...

Could this item be the start of a spat between BBC and the JEP :)

Peter Rhodes in the JEP 11.07.2011

The biggest laugh in the demise of the News of the World, was the comment from a BBC correspondent that the BEEB was always chasing Fleet Street stories,and the obvious reason was that Fleet Street was hacking phones. Nice try.The real reason is that Fleet Street,for all its sins,is the ultimate,ferociously competitive and individualistic,news breaking machine,while the BBCis an extension of the Civil Service.

Anonymous said...

Apart from the excellent postings above is it just me or are others having trouble with Stuarts Blog site? Last posting was No 20 and last message (I can access is 580)has the site been knobled?

rico sorda said...

From Harpers guest posting on SS BLOG

Mr. Gradwell says that the problem was I promised the victims £1m too much and he only had £1 to give them. In some respects he hasn’t even given them that. I promised them that I would believe them and that I would do my best to get them justice. It seems to me no one else had ever done that before. I never promised huge numbers of convictions and the victims never demanded that. I promised them I would do my best, and the officers who went and saw them achieved that. The numbers of letters, e-mails and phone calls from victims who said that they felt as though a weight had been lifted from them by the officers who spoke to them was incredible and a great testimony to those officers. If promising to believe them, making my belief obvious, and doing my best to get them justice is the equivalent of £1m then so be it. The world now believes in what happened to them. And the evidence is there against other abusers. It is those in power in Jersey that are refusing to use that evidence. They are indeed offering the victims £1 or even less

Anonymous said...

Deputy T.M. Pitman:

I think you have made your point there, Mr. Harper. Did you have another point? We really need to move on, Mr. Harper, as time is pressing. Could I take you on to the issue that does fall within these terms of reference that really apply to you: the issue of the witness statements to the Wiltshire inquiry. Obviously BDO mention on 2 instances in their reports your statement to Wiltshire; have you got any explanation as to how BDO Alto or the Minister would have these statements or how they came to be used, or appear to be used?



Mr. L. Harper:

I have made inquiries with this with both Wiltshire and [the Minister]. Now, again, [the Minister] originally told me that it was Wiltshire who must have given the statement to BDO and I have that on an email from [the Minister]. I then complained to Wiltshire Police and they carried out a lengthy and detailed investigation and only last week I received a letter from a solicitor acting for the Wiltshire Police who flatly denied that they had ever supplied details of my statement to BDO. Around about the same time, of course, we then had the announcement by the Minister for Home Affairs that he had in effect changed his mind; whereas he had told me that it was Wiltshire that supplied the statement he now seemed to be saying that in actual fact it was [retired D/Superintendent] who supplied it through David Rose and who leaked the statement. Now, my honest truth is that I have got no idea who leaked it, all I know is that this was a confidential witness statement that I made to Wiltshire Police; it was made as part of a discipline investigation surrounding [then Chief Officer, States of Jersey Police]; it was made on the condition that it was used for no other purpose other than that investigation; it contained sensitive details as well as names of victims and suspects and I was assured by Wiltshire Police that no one - not even myself - would be given a copy of it and they told me that the statement was exempt from the Freedom of Information laws and in fact they issued a severe warning that any disclosure of information from the statement would be likely to prejudice relations between the United Kingdom and Jersey

What did Kellett say again???????

Anonymous said...

Mr Rhodes isn't in Jersey, the column is syndicated around various local British papers - I doubt the BBC here have even read it - such is their 'ear to the ground' which seems to be deaf.

GeeGee said...

Rico - JEP reporting on Friday morning's hearing was an improvement on B.Q's, but still not powerful enough to get the message across to those who really do not know what is happening, and still rather slanted against Lenny.

And where oh where is CTV in all this. Their silence has been deafening. Maybe they are preparing an apology, or perhaps giving their 'award' one last polish before returning it to RTS!

Still many questions to be answered.

mac said...

Why is it that in both Warcups and the SOJ Police submissions they state
"On 15 January 2010 the Minister for Home Affairs and the Home Affairs Accounting
Officer, instructed BDO Alto Ltd. Jersey, to undertake an independent review"

Isn't that a year late?

Anonymous said...

Rico, you really do have them worried. When the Senator mentioned Mr Gradwell leaking to David Rose the Media side stepped it you have exposed this corrupt gang. It;s now so obvious well done all you bloggers legends

Anonymous said...

CTV tried to make out they never heard ILM hanging Gradwell out to dry possibly because their award is at stake. Looks like Gradwell was very cosy with CTV at the time.

Anonymous said...

ILM says: "I do not have any evidence of underhand practices being undertaken by TNOTW in relation to the HDLG investigation"....

But he surely has evidence of underhand practices being undertaken by Mr Gradwell's leaking to David Rose!?

Anonymous said...

The scrutiny review is killing them you will expose the cover up. They never saw it coming you have sneaked in, well done to all of you.

rico sorda said...

i.lemarquand@gov.je

ILM says: "I do not have any evidence of underhand practices being undertaken by TNOTW in relation to the HDLG investigation"....

But he surely has evidence of underhand practices being undertaken by Mr Gradwell's leaking to David Rose!?

Hi Anon

This is a little plea. Im struggling at the moment to fit everything in. My full and utter attention is on the BDO Scrutiny Review. All the headlines you are getting now is because of this work. We are exposing the SOJP under Warcup & Gradwell and they know it. If my readers could in fact email any concerns they might have with the Minister directly this would help me loads. He serves you, so don't be frightened raise your concerns.

When I see headlines like today it makes me buzz like a kid. It tells me to carry on, carry on going, keep asking the questions follow the evidence. Why didn't they nail Gradwel?l but always Harper? The man that knocked down the wall and exposed decades of child abuse.

"I do not have any evidence of underhand practices being undertaken by TNOTW in relation to the HDLG investigation".

Didn't ILM learn anything from Friday

SAV should have a good word with him because he seemed to have a very good grasp on the toxic jersey press

rs

Anonymous said...

In fact SAV, last Friday said, when speaking of THE RAG: "I cannot see why the media would make a report like that".

rico sorda said...

When they saw the front page today I bet BDO and SAV thought here we go again. It was all meant to forgotten about ages ago

rs

Ian Evans said...

TREVOR PITMAN

rico sorda said...

http://voiceforprotest.blogspot.com/2011/07/news-of-world.html

The News of the World article as mentioned in the JEP

RS

rico sorda said...

No one must get side tracked from what is going on with the scrutiny review. There is so much going on. Has Gradwell made a submission yet? Why has Warcup submitted information that totally contradicts the evidence given by BDO & Mike Kellett? What was going on down at the SOJP. The transcripts should be up by the end of the week then we go again. VFC will be taking care of todays farce and I will stay focused on the BDO

Why no mention of Child Abuse from our ruling elite?

We are making inroads and will not stop

rs

rs

Anonymous said...

The scrutiny review transcripts might be of interest to that reporter who recently interviewed a very defensive Gradwell about these leak allegations.

Anonymous said...

Why does the Jersey Media spend so much time rubbishing Lenny Harper yet so little time on the child abuse. With all thats going on in the UK between the media, police and politicians is it not time that the Jersey MSM was pulled in front of a select committee and asked some very far reaching questions about their rather snug set up with the top brass of your government.

Anonymous said...

Rico.

Have the Jersey MSM been asked to sit infront of the Scrutiny Panel yet?

And if not, why not?

Anonymous said...

Some months after Messrs. Warcup and Gradwell had arrived on the scene,the States of Jersey Police employed an expert on police press strategymatters. After a meeting with Mr. Power in which Mr. Power would not acceptwhat the expert was saying, the expert found his position to be untenable andresigned. However, before leaving he wrote a report which was highly criticalof the strategy. That report was referred to by a Commissioner of the Royal
Court in a judgment in which he was highly critical of the media strategy.

The problems with the handling of the media were very serious for a number
of reasons.

Dont tell me this media guy brought in by Warcup was another old mate rico can you check him out if you have time

Anonymous said...

After a meeting with Mr. Power in which Mr. Power would not accept what the expert was saying, the expert found his position to be untenable and resigned. However, before leaving he wrote a report which was highly critical of the strategy. That report was referred to by a Commissioner of the Royal

What after he resigned?

voiceforchildren said...

"Dont tell me this media guy brought in by Warcup was another old mate rico can you check him out if you have time"

I can't be certain but I believe the same chap was brought in on the "Mcann" case to rubbish any claims that didn't suit the "accredited" media's agenda.

GeeGee said...

Quelle surprise! Headlines in the 'Filthy One' tonight - Harper defends links with Press. Not only was there no comment facility available on last evenings rants by Ian Le Marquand, but today's headline does not even appear on their on-line edition tonight!

Wake up JEP - your reluctance to expose anything anti-Establishment in regard to this whole sorry saga is becoming a cause for great concern.

You can read it all on the Jersey Evening Propoganda Blog for free folks!

Anonymous said...

Rico, you are becoming what the Guardian Newspaper was to Murdoch. It started slow and took a long time. False allegations and criticisms were hurled at the Guardian, but the truth is finally winning out and vindicating them. That's what happens when the facts are all on one side and the establishment on the other. You keep the focus on the facts and the truth will be protected.

rico sorda said...

Anon

Im fully focused and not budging an inch on this. I followed my instinct, the voice acted, and we march on.

We had a day of exchanges with Mr Sibcy of the JEP yesterday all we asked for was some balanced reporting. By JEP standards ref Harper it was a fair piece but no blue peter badge.

The Voice carry on

rs

Ian Evans said...

BLOGGERS PRESSURE THE JEP TO REPORT PROPERLY

GeeGee said...

I am somewhat puzzled as to ILM's concern at Lenny meeting with NOTW journalists, yet total complacency about Mike Kellett assisting with the BDO report having known Mr Gradwell for 25 years, and as far as I can ascertain worked in the same force as recently as 2006.

Double standards methinks.

GeeGee said...

Well quelle 'another' surprise! All of a sudden the Lenny article has appeared on line.

Coincidence?

mac said...

Talking of double standards, ILM was the one who wouldn't provide States members with info as he wanted to give the JEP the scoop!
Pot, kettle, black springs to mind.

Ex-Senator Stuart Syvret said...

The victims of all this naked - evidenced - corruption - are victims of the UK government in London.

No functioning - law-abiding democracy - would tolerate what we see unfolding in the British Channel Island of Jersey. Zero checks & balances. Criminals in charge of the justice system. But these local, village oligarchs, are able to get away with it - only - only - because the UK authorities - the British Crown - tolerates and protects it.

Let there be no misunderstanding in all of these issues - our opponents are the authorities in London.

Stuart

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

Jersey is a DICTATORSHIP

Ian Evans said...

Just In Time For Lunch Lenny!!!