Tuesday, July 12, 2011

HOLLYWOOD HARPER??? BDO Alto .18


Journalist David Rose





Former A/CO Dave Warcup


D/Supt Mick Gradwell







D/CO Barry Taylor



BDO -18




A submission by the States of Jersey Police




An Extraordinary Submission by any standards




Just what was going on down at the "SOJP" under Warcup & Gradwell




Enter Channel Television 




CTV - Must now asked to give evidence in my opinion




All will be Explained




The full submission can be read here. For now im just concentrating on the answers given below.





SCRUTINY SOJP






Remember - D/Supt Mick Gradwell had nothing to do with the BDO Report. You must remember this when reading the answers given in the SOJP submission and balance that against his alleged conduct. Was he Interviewed as a witness? 



Here are the main parts of the Submission from the SOJP that can be found on Scrutiny


My Comment can be found in Blue




1. " The fact that the SIO subject of significant criticism in the report was not interviewed by BDO Alto nor given the opportunity to respond to the findings in the report"


The former Acting Chief Officer, David Warcup, has been contacted to try to clarify this point. He has explained that his reason for not allowing Mr Kelllett to speak with Mr Harper during the course of the BDO Alto review was in order not to prejudice the ongoing "Wiltshire Enquiry" being conducted by Mr Moore.



My Comment - So, does this stack up? There are better legal minds out their than mine. As you can see from the full submission the Wiltshire Finance Investigation was different to the BDO Review so what was the problem.  Does   "not to prejudice the ongoing "Wiltshire Enquiry" " cut it? In my opinion I think Warcup is clutching at straws on that one. 


Why is the Deputy Chief Officer Barry Taylor having to check with Warcup about the justification for this decision? Isn't it recorded on any policy file? Surely this is a key decision and would have been recorded.


Were Wiltshire or the Home Affairs Minister consulted on this decision? If they were  is their evidence of this consultation?




Mr Warcup has indicated that he is fully prepared to answer any questions the Scrutiny Panel may have about this aspect of the review. He is not prepared for his contact details to be disclosed, but is content for any approach to be made via the SOJP. No one else has knowledge around this.



2, " The BDO Alto Report refers to confidential statements made by the SIO to the Wiltshire enquiry , while the SIO himself has been refused a copy of his own statement."



This is a matter that will need to be referred to Wiltshire Constabulary. The states of Jersey Police have no locus over this matter



My Comment - This matter has been referred to the Wiltshire Constabulary and they have said - no part of Lenny Harpers Confidential Statement was disclosed to BDO Alto.  So, did someone have access to that Statement in Jersey and did they let Mr Kellett have a look? Only Mr Kellett and BDO can answer this question regarding Mr Harpers Confidential Statement 




3. "An Interim report by financial auditors was leaked to the Mail on Sunday in October 2009, eight months before the report was submitted to the Minister and was used in a highly critical report on the conduct of the Haut  del a Garenne inquiry. It appears that a senior police officer was responsible for this leak"



It is understood that the likely content of the BDO Alto report was discussed with the Home Affairs Accounting Officer , A/CO Warcup, Mr M Kellett and D/Supt M Gradwell during 2009 in order that further work could continue towards  a final report.


D/Supt M Gradwell left Jersey in August 2009 and retired from the police service on 2nd September 2009 . Prior to leaving and unknown to the States authorities , Mr Gradwell gave a number of press briefings , it is evident that Mr Gradwell made verbal reference to extracts from the BDO Alto report on financial matters.  This was Wholly improper and less than helpful to the ongoing enquiry.


This matter was reviewed at the time and there is no evidence of any 'physical' disclosure of any report.


Mr Gradwell is on public record as accepting that he quoted information from notes later incorporated in the report, but he vehemently denies  'leaking' a copy of a report to the media.


Mr Gradwell has also been contacted and is aware of the impending Scrutiny Panel Review. It is likely that he will make a written submission to the Panel. He does not wish his contact details to be disclosed.  


There has been no formal investigation into the 'alleged leak' . It was apparent from an earky stage that references made by Mr Gradwell to the press came from the draft report.


Having left Jersey and retired from the police service in England, it is not possible to take matters further outside of Jersey's jurisdiction



 My comment - Ok, now we come to D/Supt Mick Gradwell - What was his role in the BDO Alto Report?


The SOJP state - "Mr Gradwell is on public record as accepting that he quoted information from notes later incorporated in the report, but he vehemently denies  'leaking' a copy of a report to the media"


And in the next breath the SOJP state - "There has been no formal investigation into the 'alleged leak' . It was apparent from an earky stage that references made by Mr Gradwell to the press came from the draft report"




NOW IF THATS NOT A PHYSICAL LEAK THEN WHAT IS



THIS IS COMICAL



Remember


"D/Supt M Gradwell left Jersey in August 2009 and retired from the police service on 2nd September 2009 . Prior to leaving and unknown to the States authorities , Mr Gradwell gave a number of press briefings , it is evident that Mr Gradwell made verbal reference to extracts from the BDO Alto report on financial matters.  This was Wholly improper and less than helpful to the ongoing enquiry."



"Verbal References"




I have checked the Two Award Winning Entries by CTV where they Interviewed Mick Gradwell as seen below. What I find really amazing is that Mick  Gradwell doesn't mention anything from the BDO Alto Report  NO VERBAL REFERENCES  - Guess who does?  Yup, it's the Reporter.  




These CTV  News Shows  went out on the 1st and 3rd September 2009




How is the CTV Reporter quoting from the BDO Report?





I have been looking at the Gradwell Interview it looks far to professional alongside the normal CTV effort. This was a well orchestrated, look at the camera angels and lighting, plus not one sound from the Interviewer, this is so he could get more air time. This looks like it could have come straight from the Chief Ministers Communication Unit.  How has the CTV interviewer obtained this leaked report? All looking just a little to cosy with an award to top it all off. It has all the hallmarks of a journalistic 'puff' 



Timeline;



January 2009 - Ministerial Decision to hold a Financial Review




September 1st & 3rd - CTV News quote BDO Report & Interview Mick Gradwell

  




September 29th 2009 - BDO send Home Affairs Engagement Letter
















October 4th 2009 - David Rose does a big article that can leave no one in doubt that he had seen a leaked "Interim Report"





May 2010 - Home Affairs Minister releases report





Did Mick Gradwell give David Rose an Interview Whilst SIO of the "HCAE" he must be asked this question? Well the answer is yes. The link is below



The "HCAE" was still live what the feck was going on. Why was a Child Abuse Denier Journalist being courted by the States of Jersey Police during a live Investigation



David Rose quotes Gradwell and Warcup 




 If you read this Article from David Rose Dated November 15th 2008 he is interviewing Mick Gradwell




NOVEMBER 15TH 2008




If not Warcup,  was Mick Gradwell totally out of control down at the "SOJP" 



Or was someone else pulling the strings?



Rico Sorda






88 comments:

Larry Rivers said...

The CTV articles are totally driven by the news editoral team of senior management. One would imagine a private PR rep present also. This was the big story. The chance to finally put the broom away. The journo will be given the full support of all the technical staff plus time to constuct the story and ask the relevant questions to solicit the answers already written up on the paper edit. That is a puff.

It has high production values, graphics, sound fx. It takes a bit of time to do all that.

My guess would be the initial conversations where conducted with senior ministers in the Jersey government.

Gradwell was offski. They thought it was job's a goodun.

Anonymous said...

I have checked the Two Award Winning Entries by CTV where they Interviewed Mick Gradwell as seen below. What I find really amazing is that Mick Gradwell doesn't mention anything from the BDO Alto Report NO VERBAL REFERENCES - Guess who does? Yup, it's the Reporter.

How strange, did everyone have access to this interim report in September 2009. We know they had a safe down the old cop shop but this is beyond a joke.

Rob Kent said...

First time I have seen that report. How totally disgusting. A pure piece of propaganda, orchestrated and coordinated, by whom, I wonder.

Larry Rivers said...

The reporter knows they have to deliver editorial to a deadline (but fortunately with the full support of the staff avaialable).

It does save time in the edit to cut out the interviewers questions, good editors know thier in and out points instinctively. However this news feature was very very well constructed in advance and then covered with gloss.

Note there was no opportunity for the castigated to respond. This is the pattern. It comes from the top.

rico sorda said...

Rob

How come the reporter is quoting the BDO Report a month before the BDO engagement letter?

Larry

Would you agree that the CTV piece is as far away as the Dorris on the couch sketch as you can get. This is all starting to come together

rs

Anonymous said...

Prior to leaving and unknown to the States authorities , Mr Gradwell gave a number of press briefings , it is evident that Mr Gradwell made verbal reference to extracts from the BDO Alto report on financial matters. This was Wholly improper and less than helpful to the ongoing enquiry.

It must have been criminal. This cop was in charge of the 'HCAE'.

Anonymous said...

“It is understood that the likely content of the BDO Alto report was discussed with the Home Affairs Accounting Officer, A/CO Warcup, Mr M Kellett and D/Supt M Gradwell during 2009 in order that further work could continue towards a final report.”

This much of their statements can be taken at face value. It is easy to picture all of the above being in agreement to rubbish the abuse investigation with their own preconceived conclusions. All they had to do was launch the sham investigation since they all knew what they needed for the report to say. The conclusions were foregone well before the public could look too closely at the facts.

Larry Rivers said...

Ain't no soft set - live studio - 3 minute max gig, that is.....sadly.....the norm.

That regular anodyne waffle is all done on the day. My Nan died watching Puffin's Plaice.

What we have here is a couple of mini news docs with a clearly set politicl agenda. Carefully spaced apart. Disco gold.

So....can sombody tell me, apart from the obvious social climber thing, why CTV have chosen to take this line? The States spend nothing with them do they? Is it to do with the licencses? If you read the accounts the Directors make loads. But I know staff that really struggle.

rico sorda said...

Is this the same reporter that CTV sent down to the Scrutiny hearing?

JULY 4TH 2011

RS

Anonymous said...

This fall, teachers will ask students to view the "Award Winning" program you have provided and to then write OFCOM and several media watchdog organizations to compare the statements made in this program with the available evidence of teeth and bones found at the excavation site.

We will also attempt to locate the other nominees for this press award to request their comments on our findings, should a list be available to us.

If we receive any replies to our requests we will pass them along to you.

This is the first opportunity we have had to see the program because direct CTV video access has been blocked to viewers in our country.

rico sorda said...

"Prior to leaving and unknown to the States authorities , Mr Gradwell gave a number of press briefing"

Is the SOJP saying MG did all this off his own back

rs

Anonymous said...

"Prior to leaving and unknown to the States authorities , Mr Gradwell gave a number of press briefing"

Is the SOJP saying MG did all this off his own back?

No Rico. This could only be done by those in authority. This requires a bit of extra special effort.

Anonymous said...

Official Statement: "Prior to leaving and unknown to the States authorities, Mr Gradwell gave a number of press briefings."

Rico, you asked, "Is the SOJP saying MG did all this off his own back?"

It might make sense for States authorities and SOJP to want or even to orchestrate for MG to do all this off his own back. Now they can use him as a scapegoat. It is awfully hard to believe they had no back-up plan to shift blame to someone else when they had to know that any future scrutiny of evidence would expose the fallacies in what Gradwell was saying. He did their dirty work and they will leave him in its' dust.

Elle

rico sorda said...

"If we receive any replies to our requests we will pass them along to you."

Thank you and good luck


"No Rico. This could only be done by those in authority. This requires a bit of extra special effort".

Just as I thought

rs

rico sorda said...

Elle

They never in their wildest dreams (and I bet these boys can do wild) did they imagine that someone would come along and scrutinize it. When you control the Island media why worry

rs

Anonymous said...

"When you control the Island media why worry?"

Because of you intrepid Jersey bloggers and your worldwide network of readers, that's why! Without you would any Scrutiny Panel be looking at this?

Elle

rico sorda said...

"Because of you intrepid Jersey bloggers and your worldwide network of readers, that's why! Without you would any Scrutiny Panel be looking at this?"

NO

rs

Anonymous said...

Rico, its fantastic what you are doing. That info I sent you yesterday, please please show Lenny and Graham, and I really do hope that they will also contact Jim Gamble, because the people who discredited the HDLG police investigation are also involved in discrediting Operation Ore.

Zoompad

Anonymous said...

Well done to Trevor Pitman today. separated the men from the boys didn't it mr. Shenton-Skiver?

rico sorda said...

'None of your comments will be published without being backed up with evidence I have been at this far to long and time is precious. I admire VFC for tolerating you but I wont"

Thats 10 deleted now

lol

rs

Anonymous said...

Answer to your question Rico, yes it was Hannah Collier that they sent down to scrutiny .
I would imagine she must be feeling slightly uncomfortable now , knowing how these reports are being scrutinised.
They report what they are told to, but they are part of the cover up.

Anonymous said...

I am disgusted and let down by Montford Tadier today. As for that useless sack of....... Le Claire. I live in his district and I will now tell people not to vote for him under any circumstances. A council of ministers stooge.

Anonymous said...

Deputy T Pitman was superb in the States today.
Deputy Wimberley was good, Deputy Hill showed his experiance, Deputy Tadier showed caution but didnt need to resign from scrutiny....

Deputy Le Claire was disappointing, and failed.

TFSL's were silent except for the stamping!?

rico sorda said...

I listened to the Censure Motion Debate today in the States. I thought it was brilliant. It really showed up the States Chamber for what it is ( a total fecking mess).


About 35 to 40 States Members haven't a clue what the vast majority of hard working islanders think of them and their shambolic council of Ministers. This Government is led by Senator Ozouf who himself is controlled by the finance industry/law office

Now we all know that Senator Ozouf talks complete bolloxs, thats not to say I don't like him, it's just what I think. The poor chap looks to be in complete panic ,what with the Senators seats, tonight's Rag, Big Phil standing for election, I smell fear and see panic on the Horizon. I have been told there is a sticker behind Senator Ozoufs seat in the chamber that reads "Always the bride to be but never the bride" will he be our Prince Charles?


I have heard some very good speeches from Deputy Le Claire lately but todays was a gut wrenching spew fest of biblical proportions.

This Chamber is still living in the personality world unless that changes we are doomed. The Chief Minister has been junk. I know it, you know it, the people on the street know it , probably 80% of the Island knows it yet all we here is what a great chap he is and does a mean turn to the birdie song on a sunday morning.

Matron, more pills please

rs

rico sorda said...

It will be interesting to see if Warcup or Gradwell make a submission or give evidence

rs

buffchests.com said...

The government wants to close this sh*t down.

They dont want to talk about child abuse anymore. Its simply not good for business. A whaling conference is fine. Send in a Minister. But no more child abuse stuff. Please.

They feel its been dealt with and now there's other more important stuff to talk about. But not freedom of information. That can wait a few more years. Some time to get the broom out and a mini-bus to take it all away.

Besides they got an easy ticket so are not going to rock the boat. Always a few handshakes after retirement.

Jersey is a very unhealthy mix of landowning, law, property, the free market and tax evasion, sprinkled with a faded gltter of 80's tourism and the most bloated civil service in the world.

Its nasty but for some reason they really love it and they dont want it to change.

I used to think Jersey would be an amazing place to live if it had a very ethical and streamline government that created social policies that really enhanced the quality of all our lives.

Sadly I dont think thats going to be possible in my lifetime. And I'm in my 40's.

But I take my hat off to you Rico Sorda. Your battling against the weight of the whole government and so far your running rings round them.

Its great viewing here in the front row.

Anonymous said...

buffchests.com said...

"The government wants to close this sh*t down.........."

Couldn't have put it better myself - well said! Keep up the good work Rico, great stuff!!

rico sorda said...

We are governed by some strange type of feudal monarchy. Everyone gets handed their positions of status just like the Royals.

Look at the situation of Bailiff.

Philip Bailhache, Michael Birt, William Bailhache and Tim Le Cocq


Then we have the farcical post of Chief Minister

Frank Walker, Terry Le Sueur and now the problem Senator Philip Ozouf

Ozouf must control the majority of the chamber if he is to live his dream. He must also have the backing of P. Bailhache, lets see if PB tells the electorate that he's not interested in the position of CM. This is one big election coming up and PO's dream of being CM is hanging in the balance. I doubt the electorate would even vote him back in if he stood for election.

Then we have a full day debate about the Senators seats with team ozouf pulling out all the stops. who did they choose as the new planning minister?

A Deputy over a Senator

You cant make this up

rs

buffchests.com said...

The house right now is covered with big black slabs of disco gold. Charlie Hungerford has just moon walked arcoss the electric chair. The Bailiff has got some panasonic decks on the lecturn and Pierre Horsefall has just bought a heavily discounted white ski suit in the jeff le marquand summer sale. And never forget.....Ozouf has a sticker on the back of his chair. Who sits directly behind him?

Take them, they are wide open. Half of them have'nt even got email. They like stamping thier feet. They like ice cream for breakfast.

martin said...

rs
as i said before mr tadier as a minister if he gets back in,ref mr pitman big back mr tadier big knife?

Anonymous said...

Jersey's Home Affairs Minister Ian Le Marquand - 14/07/10
Jersey's Home Affairs Minister Ian Le Marquand gave his reaction: "The fact is that the level of standards here was so low that even on a basic managerial business, we're not even talking about police officers, he fell well below those standards. It's not brain surgery, anybody, any reasonable person could see that the way in which the initial press matters were handled was totally and utterly wrong. Anybody with any common sense can see that. The financial management issues are so basic, allowing officers to remain on double time pay for months when all you had to do was roster them and they go on time and a half, I mean this is beginners stuff."

Anonymous said...

LOL - perfectly summarised -

Jersey is a very unhealthy mix of landowning, law, property, the free market and tax evasion, sprinkled with a faded gltter of 80's tourism and the most bloated civil service in the world.

There it is, in one sentence! Well, with the possible ommision of 'corruption' and 'arrogance' :)

Anonymous said...

Rico, they have a list, it IS feudalism, you have to be born into a certain family to get in.

Zoompad

GeeGee said...

Feudalism - yes. We are the mere peasants to 'them'.

Let us not forget the Peasants Revolt of medieval times. All we need is a modern day Wat Tyler, and we could show them what we think and feel because at the moment whatever we say and do is like water off a duck's back.

These coming elections are make or break time for Jersey, and only we can change it by getting people out there to vote for the quality candidates and not the appalling sycophants clinging like limpets to a rock for their £44k for doing nothing.

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

The Skull, the "evidence" and THE MEDIA

Ian Evans said...

"Without traitors, the loyal do not stand out."

rico sorda said...

Blampied Room Maurier House 11am - 3pm

BDO ALTO

Scrutiny Review

rs

Anonymous said...

Good luck tomorrow Rico. Do you know if the meeting will break up for lunch? I can't get there in the morning but I can get there about 1 o'clock. Ta

Anonymous said...

Rico.

Now that Deputy Tadier has resigned from Scutiny and Deputy Le Herrisier today saying that Scutiny was a waste of time and effort.

Will these two be on the Scutiny panel tomorrow?

And will the efforts of Deputy Pitman getting this all together be taken seriously?

Anonymous said...

Rico - I always thought the Blampied Room was in the States Assembly building. Don't go to the wrong place!

Anonymous said...

"These coming elections are make or break time for Jersey."

Thinking realistically I don't believe that's the case. I would say the forthcoming elections are unlikely to bring about sweeping changes in the make-up of the States.

Islanders are only just waking up politically, there's still widespread apathy amongst the general populace. Blogs such as this have certainly raised awareness, but there is still much awareness left to be raised.

I believe the 6 years leading up to the following Senatorial election will be the years of radical political awakening amongst islanders, the consequence of which will be felt by the Establishment at THAT election.

Remember one thing. Although 6 years might sound a while to wait, after 800 years of Feudalism it's nothing.

Anyone who expects overnight change is going to be extremely disappointed, and possibly throw in the towel after investing so much passion and energy in chasing the rainbow that ultimately will fade away before their eyes.

But hunker down for the longer game, and victory WILL be within your grasp.

rico sorda said...

Rico - I always thought the Blampied Room was in the States Assembly building. Don't go to the wrong place!

Thanks - It is the Blampied

Rs

rico sorda said...

'None of your comments will be published without being backed up with evidence I have been at this far to long and time is precious. I admire VFC for tolerating you but I wont"

Thats 11 now and the best yet - Stella Time

rs

Anonymous said...

So where is The Blampied Room, States Building or Morier House?

Ian Evans said...

STELLA?

rico sorda said...

It's in the States Building

rs

buffchests.com said...

Tomorrow is going to be an amazing day. Your readers are going to be in thrall at the things that are said. I said earlier that now is the time to take them, they are wide open. Its every man for himself time and if there's one thing these good old boys know how to do very well is stab another man in the back. Tomorrow is the day of the long knifes.

Here's the Buff Chests prediction.

BDO Alto report found to be meaningless. Thier reputation in tatters. A few heads will roll. Question is who are they going to hang out to dry?

Le Marquand is going to have to do some serious back peddling and have to come clean on a number of key points which will then cast serious doubt of the offical party line to date. Who will ILM blame in the ensuing chaos?

After giving evidence Steve Austin Vautier will have to make a serious career choice and at best could face some form of diciplinary or at worst be forced to resign. If so will he be offered to slip into the Pollard - Ogly revolving door of financial loveliness?

Dave Warcup - Finally does the decent thing and is proven to have held all the aces. He has the longest knife and is all paid up in his mink lined mock toudor mansion. History will judge him as a semi honest cop caught up in a very nasty business.

Mick Gradwell - toast.

Rico Sorda - 6pm drinking a chilled glass of Rose (not David Rose - not just yet anyway) with the people who have stuck with him all the way through this totally pointless execise in sick government opinion management.

The Government want to close this sh*t down.

Child abuse aint good for business.

Life enriching?

Anonymous said...

As BDO Alto and Steve A Vautier prepare to give evidence to Scrutiny panel on the back of Montfords staged drama queen act, will the hearing be banjaxed?

My thoughts are it had to be stopped and will be.

thejerseyway said...

Hi Rico.

Senator Ozouf's Speech about the Chief Minister, you can listen to it HERE

rico sorda said...

Monty's departure doesn't have any bearing on the Scrutiny Hearing.

Buffchest.com

Very funny, I just believe in following the evidence, do the research and follow the evidence. Something just isn't right concerning the £64,000 Taxpayers Money BDO Report.

Im very interested in what SAV has to say seeing as he is the Home Affairs Accounting Officer and he signed off everything Mr Harper is getting shafted for

What of D/SUPT Mick Gradwell? - A Rougue Cop? - A Mavrick? It's just not stacking up concerning this chap. When he left the SOJP he basically went on a Jersey Roadshow Trashing the Child Abuse Investigation that was still live he was the SIO of that investigation. He was leaking like a sieve. CTV won an award for what? Mick Gradwell was shooting from the hip like a rouge pistolero from lancashire - What positive aspects did Mr Gradwell bring, all I have ever seen or heard from him is trashing the Investigation.

I look forward to reading his and Dave Warcups Submission

Nothing to Hide Nothing to Fear

rs

GeeGee said...

Well - just in after a long, interesting day. And what a day!

Not too sure whose blog to post this on as Trevor and the panel, VFC and his comment at the end and yourself Rico were all excellent.

However as you gave evidence to the panel I have picked you Rico. The evidence you gave was exactly as you come across on your blog, honest, modest, truthful and no airs and graces and you did extremely well. From the ordinary 'man' or in my case woman in the street, thank you.

I know you will be blogging on this and my head is so full of what went on, all I can say is 'Wow'. The evidence of Mike Kellett was most enlightening, so all you who did not attend - watch this space.

One thing that has stuck in my mind though is his use of the word deplorable regarding Mr Gradwells behaviour in leaking info to the press and his outburst before he left Jersey. Mr Kellett, you have confirmed what a lot of us feel also.

Anonymous said...

Steve Austin Vautier.
Very sharp mind and answered virtually all questions instantly.Very concise answers and a very good memory.
Saw him ruffled only once when it was unintentionally suggested that his department might have been involved in the negative spin against Harper.

He was quite clear that in his view the Bdo Alto report that he ordered and set the Terms of Reference for was an excellent document, and could be used as a reference manual should anything like this ever happen again. He made it quite clear that he had ordered an Audit review of the HdlG expenses and that is what Bdo had produced.

Where it seems to have gone wrong is that the Jersey Evening Post Drama Queens,looking for dramatic headlines picked out the negative points and seriously exagerrated them. Can only assume that the rest of the media followed suit on the assumption that those journalists new what they were talking about.

I may turn out to be incorrect but,I suspect that the major blame for this Bdo fiasco is going to lie with the JEP,not politicians.
mt

Anonymous said...

Mr. Corbin spokesperson for Bdo Alto

Very knowledgeable.All the answers in his head.
Understandably defensive of his firm.

I think that he did admit that it would have been fair to have spoken to Harper,but didnt think it essential as he was able to gain all the audit material he required,even to the extent of obtaining permission from Wiltshire to view a part of their report.
Still it puzzles me as to why Kellet and Corbin approached Gradwell in an effort to persuade him to allow them to interview Harper.

mt

Anonymous said...

Ian le Marquand. Remarkably friendly,chatty guy doing a spot of electioneering as we waited to enter the meeting!

Some interesting points came out of this absent minded ex judge.

Did I hear him say that discrepancies within the Home Affairs department and the Child Abuse investigation were concerning him and that led eventually to the Bdo involvement.

Having read neither Wiltshire or Bdo I was surprised to hear that the reports covered similar ground.Makes me wonder why Wiltshire was so expensive,and why Bdo was needed.
mt

Anonymous said...

Ian le Marquand,probably like the rest of us, was surprised that following Gradwells refusal to allow Harper to be interviewed that Bdo never asked for his help.
mt

Anonymous said...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-14166813

Anonymous said...

At todays Scrutiny meeting:

Did SAV really use the word Genocide, when explaining his first reaction to the HDLG first enquiry?

Did SAV really say I cannot see why the media would make a report like that?

Did SAV really say We dont go to work to indulge, we just work for our bread?

Did SAV really say I can't have been that bad because I have got away with "Gardening Leave"?....

The answer to the above four is yes!!

Anonymous said...

So how it it all go? Do we now trust in ILM? Have we all been foolish to doubt the great and the good? Has Trevor Pitman stood up to be counted only to get a knife in the back? Has Montford Tadier quit with good reason or because he didn't want the risk of that same knife? Did he just not fancy working through the summer? Did all the MSM turn up with sharpened pencils and bated breath? Please tell.

rico sorda said...

What a day

Jersey Bloggers leading the way

Scrutiny doing what Scrutiny do best

Follow the evidence and you cant go wrong. Im worn out, will be recharging the batteries, then, with some luck, I will be blogging on Sunday on what was a totally astonishing day.

When we started on the BDO we had no idea where it would lead us. What came out today at the Scrutiny hearing was shocking, should we be surprised? NO

Scrutiny - "Mr Kellett did you know Mr Gradwell before yu started work on the BDO"

Mr Kellett -"Yes I have known Mick Gradwell for 25yres"


Priceless

And then it just got worse. All will be explained on Sunday. So serious were the submissions today that all aspects of the HCAE under Warcup & Gradwell must be investigated

This is based on todays evidence - It was that serious

Not bad for a manual worker

rs

Anonymous said...

Mr Corbin said that he had read the Met report on data base. Mr Kellett said that it wasn't on data base, but he had been given a hard copy.

Anonymous said...

Mr Kellett had only seen Warcup's TOR for the first time, the day before yesterday.

Therefore Mr Kellett admitted to working to a different TOR to Mr Warcup.

Anonymous said...

Mr Corbin said that the trigger event for the overspend was JAR 6.

Anonymous said...

Good on Ye Rico! Look forward to it all on Sunday.

Anonymous said...

Even though Kellett had known Gradwell for 25 years, he had only reacently been intouch again and they shared and discused the Wiltshire (but only after legal advise) and the BTO Alto.

Anonymous said...

Kellett said that Gradwell's leaks were unacceptable.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Corbin obtained permission from Wiltshire to view a part of their report? Did he name the person who gave permission from Wiltshire?

I thought that was given confidentially by Mr. Harper as part of disciplinary process.

rico sorda said...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-14166813

What was obvious from the BBC Reporter was that she hasn't got a clue as to what this is all about. She needed her sound bites and she got them. The evidence given by Mike Kellett and BDO was quite staggering seeing as it 100% conflicted with everything the former Acting Chief Officer Warup has put in his submission.

In all of the UK the only Independent outside police consultant they could find was one that came from Lancashire and had known Gradwell for 25yrs - Ok, he said they had not spoken for 10 yrs but Mick had clearly not forgotten his good friend.


What happened next is really quite amazing


we are waiting for are the transcripts.

rico sorda said...

"Mr. Corbin obtained permission from Wiltshire to view a part of their report? Did he name the person who gave permission from Wiltshire?"

Wiltshire confirmed to Mr Harper that they didn't disclose his statement.

rs

Anonymous said...

Looks like there were plenty of soundbites for bbc yet again they only offer the negative ones which continue to slate the whole investigation. Ones that have been used in the past and not in the scrutiny hearing going by whats already been posted.

I wonder if the reporter is just of the impression they cant be bothered as they have made up their mind and feel like they could be out reporting on much more interesting things like a fete or car boot sale. Either that or they are just doing whatever they can to ensure jerseys public dont get to hear the truth unless they read the blogs.

Anonymous said...

How can Mr. Corbin claim overspend if no budget to work too? How much was over spent?

rico sorda said...

I believe after what I listened to yesterday the Scrutiny Panel must call in the award winning CTV. They did the interviews with Gradwell and their reporter was disclosing extracts from the draft BDO Report. This all happened a month before the now infamous David Rose article on October 4th 2009.


All this was going on whilst the Child Abuse Investigation was still live

Why did Mick Gradwell chuck all policing ethics out the window?

Did he really do this off his own back?

David Rose was already in place before Gradwell turned up.

The nice camera job on his interview when it's normally 30 seconds on the couch with some Dorris from CTV. All this wasn't just done because he felt like it. What about showing evidence to abuse survivors down the station? Showing evidence on TV to a BBC Reporter.

Lets start looking at the bigger picture concerning Mick Gradwell

What control did David Warcup have over him?

rs

Anonymous said...

Is Mr. Vautier really saying he himself set terms of reference for an independent report into expenses scandal he has authority over.

Does he not see, he is conflicted in being the accounting officer responsable for States of Jersey police. To then, set the terms of reference for an independent report into a police expense scandal.

Did you eventually learn what terms of reference BDO did base the report on?

rico sorda said...

Thank you for the 'not for publication' drunken message of support

Very Kind

We bloggers appreciate it

gave me a chuckle

rs

rico sorda said...

there was so much information floating around yesterday but the one thing that really struck me when I had time to reflect last night was how much time and effort has been put in by certain members of this Government and Law Office to trash two senior police officers for having the courage to expose decades long child abuse.

Thats the reality of the whole situation

rs

Anonymous said...

Who paid Mike Kellett?

SOJP?

Home Affairs?

BDO?

Did they all pay him?

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

A commenter asks.

"Did SAV really use the word Genocide, when explaining his first reaction to the HDLG first enquiry?"

Yes SAV did say that people were under the impression child genocide had occurred up at HDLG. Mr. Vautier was , in my opinion, using this as part of his "defence" for the want of a better word. His defence as to why he signed off, and questioned, little about the expenditure of Operation Rectangle while it was all happening.

He is correct, when it is believed children have been murdered and horrendously abused the first thought in any right thinking persons mind isn't going to be "oooh! better keep an eye on the expenses"

What a shame that the media, and just about every report written since, have not offered that "defence" to Mr. Power QPM or Mr. Harper.

Mr. Harper was expected to have, at the forefront of his mind, how much a set menu is in a resturaunt when he is investigating possible child genocide.

It also became apparent yesterday that the BDO/Alto Report was not an "investigation" it was an audit account of the expenditure concerning Operation Rectangle. It was in no way an investigation of Lenny Harper, but that's what it was turned into by the JEP.

The JEP, and other MSM used this Report for something, according to SAV that it was never meant for. The JEP from the impression I got from the questioning of SAV yesterday, used this Report to launch a personal attack on Lenny Harper.......the man who exposed decades of Child Abuse in Jersey's State run "care" homes.

voiceforchildren said...

"Who paid Mike Kellett?

SOJP?

Home Affairs?

BDO?

Did they all pay him? "

That didn't become apparent yesterday so I sent ILM an e-mail asking those questions, waiting for a reply.

Anonymous said...

"How can Mr. Corbin claim overspend if no budget to work too? How much was over spent?"

The poster of the above makes a good point.

It seems to have been made abundantly clear that the investigation did not have a budget allocation - despite pleas from the then Chief Officer, Mr Power, to have one set up.
It is also not disputed that Mr Harper was instructed by Messrs Walker and Ogley not to stint on expenditure. In this latter case, the only dispute seems to be whether Messrs Walker and Ogley meant this literally. If they did not, then they should have insisted that a budget was set up, albeit a very generous one if they believed that "no expense was to be spared" or a sentiment along those lines.
Without a budget allocation, any views expressed by an auditor would, of necessity, be quite subjective as he would have no real yardstick against which to measure expenditure - i.e. no budget!

Anonymous said...

Is Mr. Vautier really saying he himself set terms of reference for an independent report into expenses scandal he has authority over.

July 16, 2011 9:17 AM

In answer,

Of course he did, and he was also the executive responsible by law according to retired PC Graham Power for signing off all expenses and had the authority to question anything he saw that made him uncomfortable. Probably now about to retire with a golden handshake ?

Lets not forget the " Verita Report into Hospital Management " the ToR set by the management them selves, with the line inserted, no disciplinary action to be taken.

For democratically well run Crown Dependency, think Banana republic.

Anonymous

Anonymous said...

Voice for Children. re your 11:04 comment. Spot on fair, unbiased and accurate from what i recall.
mt

Anonymous said...

How can Mr. Corbin claim overspend if no budget to work too? How much was over spent?

This was bothering me throughtout the hearing.

Even if a financial controller had been employed from the start,I cant see how he would have dared challenge the police requirements.
Something was eventually set up under Harper, and then again when Gradwell took over {the Gold team].But,even with Gradwells Gold team costs exceeded that of Harper!

Has there been an audit ordered of Gradwells expenses,or was it understood by the time he took over that you cant stop a runaway train.
mt

Anonymous said...

“JEP 16th July 2011-07-16
BREAKING NEWS

Could you be a jersey evening post reporter?
We are looking for a suitably qualified or potential trainee journalist with a sharp and enquiring mind.”

Rico, I’m going there on Monday to cancel my advertising with them, do you want me to pick up an application form for you whilst I’m there?

Ian Evans said...

THE SPIN DOCTORS

Anonymous said...

Deputy Pitman asked Mr Kellett: In hindsight what would you have done different?

Mr Kellett replied: Not hindsight but foresights....

Does that make sense or are my notes wrong?

Anonymous said...

Power and Harper were not interviewed for the Met report.

Same pattern as the BDO alto report.

Anonymous said...

Could the JEP refuse a full page advert of Ricos findings.

I am sure people would donate to costs.

Anonymous said...

Count me in for a donation. A full page of truth in the rag. A brilliant idea.

Anonymous said...

This is the place to submit examples of the misinformation provided by the JEP. It would be most helpful if the individuals disparaged in print by the JEP give statements. Lenny Harper, Graham Power, Stuart Syvret, individual bloggers, etc. The abuse survivors should also submit a complaint as a group."

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