Thursday, February 16, 2012

OPERATION END-GAME -SHOULD I STOP?





I have added this interview with Constable Crowcroft that he gave on the 12th November 2009 a year after the suspension of the former Chief of Police Graham Power QPM. What he says is so bang on the money its scary. The thing that upset me so much is that it is still as relevant today as it was back in 2009. The issues are so serious that to just push them aside and move on is scandalous. I was very angry and upset. We, civilian bloggers are out on a limb in doing the investigative work but we do it because it is right. The survivors of Abuse haven't gone away and nor has the suspension of a Chief of Police who along with his DCO Lenny Harper and their dedicated team smashed the veil of secrecy concerning decades of Abuse.




After publishing the Met Interim Report I thought that I would contact two politicians who were in the States at the time former Deputy Andrew Lewis gave his in-camera speech as to why he suspended the former Chief of Police Graham Power QPM. I was interested to know if what Lewis said backed up with what I had published.


The reply I received from Constable Crowcroft horrified me for many reasons.


In the constables favor he has been vocal on all the issues and supported the former Chief of Police at his Complaints Board Hearing review.



Should I follow the Constables lead and stop right now? If the majority of the States are willing to move on from Child Abuse and the breakdown in the rule of law why should I give a hoot as to what's going on.




Rico Sorda



Team Voice


>From: rico sorda

>Subject: Met interim report
>To: s.crowcroft@gov.je, "roy herissier"
>Date: Monday, 13 February, 2012, 18:35
>
>
>Dear all,
>I have now published the Met Interim Report


> here; http://ricosorda.blogspot.com/2012/02/metropolitan-interim-police-report.html


>Does it stack up with what Andrew Lewis told the States during the in-camera debate? The reason for asking is that you were both in the States when it happened.


>Kind Regards


>Rico Sorda




From: rico sorda
To: s.crowcroft@gov.je; roy herissier
Sent: Thursday, 16 February 2012, 14:09
Subject: Re: Met interim report

HI,

Im still waitiing for a reply on this as it is a very serious issue

kind Regards

Rico Sorda






From: Le Herissier

Subject: Re: Met interim report

To: "rico sorda" , "s.crowcroft@gov.je" , "roy herissier"

Date: Thursday, 16 February, 2012, 18:01


#Rico

I have been away a few days so your apparent deduction that we are not treating this seriously is wrong.

From what I recall, and BoB H would be a better source as he followed this in detail, Dep Lewis relied a lot on the expertise of those who advised him and made reference to this as a crucial matter.

I cannot recall his exact reference to the Met Report. although it clearly influenced his thinking,

Roy Le h




From: Simon Crowcroft

Subject: RE: Met interim report

To: "Le Herissier" , "rico sorda" , s.crowcroft@gov.je, "roy herissier"

Date: Thursday, 16 February, 2012, 18:35


I can only add to Roy's comment that these are events that happened some time ago and most of those responsible have left office. I am not sure what purpose is served in raking over the matter. I exposed what I considered to be the political interference and the scapegoating of Graham Power but the States of the day were not interested, so why would today's States be any different? Sorry to be less than keen but we have new matters to deal with, so limited time in which to take up the cudgels about this.
rgds
Simon


_

63 comments:

Anonymous said...

No Rico, you definitely not give up on this,Constable Crowcroft has for years hounded the car out of St Helier Now he wants more car parking! he has either had a brain transplant or he has been got at, I suspect the latter, because you have got the crooks on the run.

Anonymous said...

"Dep Lewis relied a lot on the expertise of those who advised him and made reference to this as a crucial matter."

Ex-Minister A Lewis, would have been obliged to seek advice, but as ILM has stated in the past, it is for the Minister to decide on whether to accept the advice or not, the responsibility of a decision is entirely the Minister.

Anonymous said...

''I am not sure what purpose is served in raking over the matter''

Holy S**t that surprises me.

I am speechless what is wrong with these people?

Anonymous said...

So Hitler is dead should we forgive and forget?

Anonymous said...

Rico you have done the work it is there for all to see.

States Members you email and contact have no research to do you've handed them your work, on a plate.

Its up to them now.

Truthfully, I expect your research will be buried as has been the way from the start.

Even if, States Members have left, been paid off, call it what you will, todays members are just as accountable, more so, given they have evidence handed them.

Just because Constable Crowcroft believes they will not act differently it has to be established in the house, on the record to correct the lies told and set the record straight.

Anonymous said...

Simon Crowcroft? His comments reflect the same sentiments of the feudalists and their trolls. I think you know what Stuart thinks about those progressives in office who have been co-opted by the Jersey Way. This should not surprise or dismay you. The level of local and international interest in your evidence speaks for itself.

You are probably having an off day. See some friends or take it easy and get some sleep. Tomorrow you can go back to being Jersey's best investigative journalist. You have unleashed some powerful but unpopular truth and you can't give up now.

Anonymous said...

crowcroft the new party man.

rico sorda said...

From: rico sorda
Subject: RE: Met interim report
To: "Le Herissier" , s.crowcroft@gov.je, "roy herissier" , "Simon Crowcroft"

Date: Thursday, 16 February, 2012, 21:53

Well, what can I say Simon. I guess decades of Child Abuse, the political removal of the Chief of Police and the general breakdown in the rule of law is common in Jersey and one that we can all just move on from. Just like Philip Bailhache doing exactly the same with the Electoral Commission. The Feudal Baron having one last flex of muscle whilst one eye is on the incoming meteorite. Makes me sick. Toxicity isn't just alive under the waterfront.

Sad, very very sad

Kind Regards

Rico

Anonymous said...

It would seem that both Crowcroft and Labey have changed sides.

Labey thinks this will keep her in politics.

Crowcroft thinks it will bring him Chief Minister....

Both of them should think again!?

GeeGee said...

Rico - you know as well as I know you will not give up.

I think we all have days when we think 'what is the point', but the point is that innocent children were tortured, raped and physically and mentally abused, and we have a government which has done its damndest to cover this all up.

That is very hard to accept.

I had a response in a very similar vein From Mr Crowcroft when I wrote to all States Members asking that they give the Committee of Inquiry its fullest support.

In effect, he said that it would not achieve anything, and it was time to move on!!!!

Mr Crowcroft - sorry, but you are a turncoat.

Res Nullius said...

"I am not sure what purpose is served in raking over the matter."

Dear Mr Crowcroft, I assume that you read this blog.

The purpose of raking this over is simple. As you appear to have dropped your moral compass, like so many of your colleagues, I should spell it out in simple terms to you.

Those responsible for child abuse, corruption and other criminal acts or omissions are still legally culpable for those acts or omissions.

That means that their guilt for past acts or ommissions will not be dissolved by the mists of time.

You will be aware (given your love of twinning St Helier with towns where Nazi concentration camps held local families like mine) that the authorities in all democratic jurisdictions - apart from Jersey - chase down and prosecute serious criminals while they are still alive.

Child abuse and government corrution at the highest level are serious crimes Simon and these allegations are being suppoted by a growing amount of hard evidence. They are no longer simply conspiracy 'theories'.

There are still many victims of 'those responsible who have now left office', whose lives are still affected in some way by their acts or ommissions.

Whether they are still in office, and many are, is irrelevant. A trial is currently taking place in England.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2102042/Chamber-Commerce-chief-raped-schoolgirl-bed-wife-lay-watched.html

This guy and his wife were in different jobs when they allegedly did this 30 years ago. Should the police have washed their hands of it when the complaint was made in 2010? 'It was a very long time ago and they were in different roles then, lets not bother'

Your attitude is very disappointing to say the least.

Sick would be a better description.

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

GeeGee said.

"You know as well as I know you will not give up."

I just want to echo that really.

Anonymous said...

Dear All,

BE DIVIDED AND BE RULED

There are many techniques of control without resorting to the use of force.

Jersey Fiefdoms favourite is probably the STITCH UP..
-we have the time and the money
-we write the rules (and re-write them* as we go along)
-we own the media so shout and scream all you like, no-one who matters will hear.
-friends are friends and we go back a long way (the Jersey way)
-you night be right but we can p*ss on you from a great height
etc.
[* note also PB's hijack of the electoral commission]

DIVIDE AND RULE is another classic but the Fiefdom has little need for this as Jersey's progressive factions always find plenty to fall out about.


It is helpful to view these two responses more positively and with more sympathy.

Le Herissier: "....your apparent deduction that we are not treating this seriously is wrong."
i.e. it IS SERIOUS.

I am a little surprised and disappointed by Simon Crowcroft's response. However he implies that he AGREES WITH ROY'S COMMENT before back-pedalling.

Disappointing; but you are probably talking to a tired man who has been banging his own head for years on the same wall and in his job is juggling a lot of balls.
He has to walk in the nest of vipers so it is inevitable that he will get them wrapped around his legs and he will want to avoid too many bites.
Disappointing, but do not automatically assume that he has been assimilated by the dark side.
----------------------

As a little reminder to Simon Crowcroft. This IS IMPORTANT
(1) because of the right to some sort of justice for G.Power, L.Harper and the scores of surviving States abuse victims and suicide/burnout victims.
(2) Jersey has been a Quasi-POLICE STATE for decades where investigations have been stopped because of PRIVATE and POLITICAL influence/interference. This UNTHINKABLE SITUATION is proven and further secured by the unjustified and politicised suspension and effective dismissal of Police Chief G.Power.
----------------------

Also: "......From what I recall, and BoB H would be a better source as he followed this in detail, ..."
do what was suggested - contact Bob Hill.

H.

Anonymous said...

Not being in the Staes any more
NO EXCUSE.
What about the OBEs dished out?

Anonymous said...

Labey never changed sides. She was always a feudalist. Her birthright no less. Amazing what a bit of smoke and mirrors can do for a while. But they all get bord eventually and revert to type. Nobody should be surprised.

Anonymous said...

Take a break from it for a while. You clearly feel the need to do so. You are not letting anybody down by doing so. You have done what you set out to do - namely to show that SOJ stiched up GP in order to close down a major child abuse investigation. People who care about this subject are satisfied that the truth is now out there. If politicians no longer wish to engage with this subject then sadly one can only conclude that history will inevitably repeat itself. This thought leaves me cold but nobody has shown more guts and tenacity in showing up the system to the stinking pile of sh*te that many had suspected it was already.

Take a break for a bit Rico. I think its important for you to do so. Otherwise you'll just drive yourself mad with the ignorance and injustice of it all.

The COI will hopefully kick in later in the year. Maybe then, when your batteries are recharged, you can fire up again.

Regardless of what you choose to do you are highly regarded by a great many people

Anonymous said...

It's part of the constables' jobs to deal a lot with the law orifices (AG,SG etc) so don't be surprised to find that the constables come around to the feudalists' ways of thinking

Why else would B-hash be so keen to keep the conny-tables in the states?

Anonymous said...

There's lots of motivation when you believe you can change things.

But, when you've tried and tried and feel like you're banging your head against a wall because no-one's listening, who wouldn't just give up?

Can we really blame Crowcroft when he feels he's taken it as far as he can and the States don't want to know?

You, Rico, on the other hand CAN still make a difference by carrying on exposing the truth, so that one day another States MIGHT just see things differently.

Zoompad said...

Rico,

I don't have any right to say this to you at all, because not only have you worked your butt off on all this, I'm not even one of the Jersey child abuse survivors, I'm one of the Staffordshire Pindown ones, but I hope you don't stop.

But the trouble is, these people are so malicious and evil. Who has the right to ask you to put your head on the chopping block in all this mess?

I don't know if you have ventured back onto Robert Greens blog, but there are creepy anonymous people popping up left right and centre now. It's made me feel really sick, to trust people, to share a platform with them, only to find they are having a laugh at my expense. I know this might sound unchristian, but I think people who do that deserve to rot in hell.

I watched Enter The Dragon recently, and there's a scene in it where the Bruce Lee character is surrounded by mirrors, and he can't see the drug baron bad guy, so Bruce Lee remembers something his teacher had said to him, some speech about illusions, and he starts kunk fuuing all the mirrors in until he can see the real baddy, because all the illusions are shattered. I think that is what we have all been doing.

One thing I would say, if you do carry on, please be very very very careful. I posted on Robert Greens blog what the Orees did to me, tried to, when they tried to convince me that the Prime Minister was a paedophile. I prayed about that, and asked the Lord about it. I looked at Gordon Brown and read his books and he just did not come accross as a paedophile at all. But they kept on and on and on at me, trying to persuade me that he was. I didn't fall into their trap, praise God, if I had, they would have turned on me and made mince meat of me. Also, I made that mistake about Matt Quinn, and there were people on that blog who were feeding me, encouraging me, trying to make me believe that Matt Quinn was Matt Tapp. Matt Quinn was so angry and had a right go at me, and it's a good job he did because if he hadn't I would not have read what he had posted about Belinda McKenzie, and been enlightened into what that lady has been up to.

So if you do carry on, please, be careful of their traps and tricks. And always ask God to guide you, because he can see everything but we can't!

I hope you carry on, but feel awful about asking you to.

Anonymous said...

Crowcroft is a huge disappointment.
He is a man of sound bites but never any substance.

rico sorda said...

Thanks for the comments of support, guidance and all that Jazz. It has been a long hard road no doubt about that. I find it so frustrating that our elected politicians just allow this shambles to continue unchecked. If I was asked what i felt needed doing in Jersey I would say the Law Office needs replacing and the States Chamber needs disbanding as its not fit for purpose.


It was this line that made me explode last night "I am not sure what purpose is served in raking over the matter"

That is the classic Jersey way. Move on keep moving on, nothing to see, move on we will learn from our daily corruption. It drains me or I should have said the attitude of people drain me.

This has fired me up even more and will have a new posting up on Sunday

Thanks for all the support


rs

rico sorda said...

I like Simon but this isn't about liking people. This is about the rule of law. He is supporting the last feudal dinosaur, for what reason exactly?

The Committee of Enquiry was passed on March 1st 2011 - we are now heading for March 1st 2012 and nothing. They give the Abuse victims nothing. We have two heavily conflicted individuals in Senator Bailhache and Senator Ilm who shouldn't have anything to do with this yet they trample over everything and are allowed to.

This Government and the previous governments along with their Nazi paper "The Jersey Evening Post" have continued to abuse the victims. They do this with no shame. They do this because they can. Things must change in this Island. I don't care how it comes about but it must change.

rs

Res Nullius said...

To Mr Crowcroft

Your position is in many ways a simple one.

Either you believe that there is more than just an element of truth in what has been uncovered or you don't believe it.

If you don't believe then there is no point in you going further. However, given your previous efforts in this issue I don't wear it that you don't believe the evidence.

If you believe then you must consider whether or not the issues involved are serious. Again, if the answer to that is no, it ends there. I do not however think that any reasonable person could not regard this matter s trivial.

So, if we are left with a mater which you believe is likely to be true and serious the question has to be asked what are you (and other politicians for that matter) going to do about it? If not, why not?

Perhaps you consider that St Helier's parking needs are more pressing than government corrution at the highest level. Perhaps you don't.

Perhaps you have simply lost the courage you once had to say and do the right things.

Or is it something else?

Anonymous said...

RN; SAYS

"Those responsible for child abuse, corruption and other criminal acts or omissions are still legally culpable for those acts or omissions.

That means that their guilt for past acts or ommissions will not be dissolved by the mists of time"

SO VERY TRUE

Anonymous said...

"...the States of the day were not interested, so why would today's States be any different? Sorry to be less than keen but we have new matters to deal with,"

If at first you don't succeed... accept that you have failed and give up like Crowcroft.

This ring any bells Simon?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzD6L8DmE-c

Anonymous said...

''I am not sure what purpose is served in raking over the matter''

If Mr. Crowcroft has to ask the above question nothing or nobody will convince him.

Would he rather people turn the other cheek, walk on by and cross to the other side of the road.

Anonymous said...

You'd have thought someone like Crowcroft would have been more with it. But he's changed since he was captured by the Establishment. That is why he backed up Bailhache. What a fool! Perhaps someone could ask him why he prefers Bailhache and not Ghorst for CM?

Anonymous said...

Hi Rico

Simon Crowcroft is a capable man but he is now displaying the signs of having been in office too long. He has been saying some strange things in the media lately ('it wasn't me who introduced residents parking' !!! ) and perhaps next time round it would be desirable for him to face a credible opponent should he feel like another term as Constable.

As for Labey I reckon it boils down to the Grouville element. Isn't that where Bailhash hails from? She was probably 'encouraged' to be careful what she said at the last election. The planning corruption thing has gone very quiet.

Anonymous said...

No doubt I will get shouted down (or even ignored) for this sentiment, but it bears saying nonetheless.

Simon Crowcroft, as many have acknowledged in the past, is a reasonable and intelligent man, whose commitment to St Helier and its parishioners, is unquestionable. I believe he has also assisted in the past with the aims and authors of various blogs.

Unfortunately, because he now expresses an opinion that many of those same blog authors don't agree with, he is suddenly condemned, and accused of all manner of ills.

Simon will undoubtedly read some of these comments, and wonder what the hell he was thinking of trying to help in the past, and you will have lost any hope of him engaging wth you in the future.

Other politicians will also take note of these comments, and it will no doubt make them reticent to try and help because of the way they will be treated if they so much as disagree with you, so all your comments will have achieved is to isolate yourselves further from any chance of States representation in the future.

Think about what you are writing and saying about this, or anybody else, and the manner in which people are likely to treat any further requests for assistance. Disagree by all means, but make the comments relevant, and try to lay off the insults.

Anonymous said...

I'm so astounded at Crowcroft I'm at a loss for words.

rico sorda said...

Blog intro

"In the constables favor he has been vocal on all the issues and supported the former Chief of Police at his Complaints Board Hearing review." end

"Other politicians will also take note of these comments, and it will no doubt make them reticent to try and help"

Cant say its been a stampede. These issues are so serious, they are more than a 5 minute concern. Simon is a politician he spoke honestly but what he said was pour Bailhache.


"Think about what you are writing and saying about this, or anybody else, and the manner in which people are likely to treat any further requests for assistance. Disagree by all means, but make the comments relevant, and try to lay off the insults."

Im not asking for assistance I'm asking for representation. I'm asking for the rule of law to me restored. Im asking that politicians grab the enormity of what has gone on I'm asking that they act as a whole. There is nothing more serious in Jersey at this present moment than the breakdown in the rule of law. But what is happening I ask? Nothing thats what. We have about 3 politicians trying to do something yet the rest of the Cannon fodder just sit on their 45 grand whist decadence and all the rest of the toxic garbage goes on around them.

The Law Office and the States Chamber is not FIT FOR PURPOSE

rs

Anonymous said...

Either you believe in justice or you do not. To question the purpose now, does not make any sense.

rico sorda said...

"Simon will undoubtedly read some of these comments, and wonder what the hell he was thinking of trying to help in the past, and you will have lost any hope of him engaging wth you in the future."

I actually believe you do Simon a disservice with that comment. I believe he is a bigger man than that. I don't expect him to do the ILM shuffle or the Usain sprint if he saw me coming along the street. He knows just like most intelligent people know that he's kissing the Bailhache hoop. Why he is should be asked.

rs

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

"The Law Office and the States Chamber is not FIT FOR PURPOSE"

Along with the State Media.

Anonymous said...

Comment at 4:58 Could you point out where Constable Crawcroft has been accused of anything?

People are entitled to ask questions and pass opinion are they not?

Zoompad said...

"Im not asking for assistance I'm asking for representation."

Which is what politicians pick up their wages to do, surely?

Is it too much to ask for political representation from a political representative?

Anonymous said...

Someone comments: Think about what you are writing on the blogs.
Dont upset the current politicians.

Move with the times mate, along with the current politicians.

In this day and age politicians should and soon will be listening to the bloggers!!

rico sorda said...

I have now added an interview with Constable Crowcroft that he gave on November 12th 2009. It is a must listen.

Ian Evans said...

YEAR IN PRISON FOR STOPPING PAEDOPHILLIA!!!

rico sorda said...

My investigative work has led me to this statement;

STATEMENT TO BE MADE BY THE MINISTER FOR HOME AFFAIRS ON TUESDAY 16th JUNE 2009
OPERATION BLAST

It is my duty to inform this Assembly that on 2nd June 2009 I received a formal written report from the Acting Chief Officer of Police which confirmed to me the details of Operation Blast. I was first informed of the general details in relation to Operation Blast by a letter from the Solicitor General dated 30th April, 2009, and requested further information prior to making any decision in relation thereto. I am able to reveal the following information -

In February 2006 the States of Jersey Police set up files under the name of Operation Blast which contained sections on every elected member of the States of Jersey, that is on every Senator, Connétable and Deputy. These files do not appear to relate to any actual police investigation.

Each section on an individual member contained a photograph and other generally available information on the member. It also contained a full criminal record search on each member. Some of the sections contained other information on a member from a variety of different sources including local police intelligence and national police intelligence and sheets detailing the checks that had been carried out in respect of each individual. The existence and general contents of the files have been independently confirmed to me by the Solicitor General acting upon my request.

The files were kept securely within the Special Branch office. Between February 2006 and November 2008 the files were updated from time to time. The files were not retained under standard arrangements for the retention of intelligence data. Indeed, there are papers within the files which would suggest that efforts have been made to ensure that this information was maintained outside the normal protocols for the management of information. Various members of the Police Senior Management were aware of the existence of the files and directed certain information to be retained therein. The existence of the files was known only to a very small number of officers and does not appear to have been disseminated further.

I am not aware of the motivation for the setting up and retention of these files but am very seriously concerned about their existence.

No new sections were set up after the October/November 2008 elections and no information was added to the files after November 2008.
Existing or former members of the States who are concerned by the contents of this statement may wish to contact the Acting Chief Officer of Police, Mr. David Warcup, who has agreed to meet individually with them, should they so wish, in order to discuss the contents of their section of the files. However, I must inform members that Mr. Warcup will not be able to reveal to them any items which cannot be properly disclosed outside of the Police intelligence community.
I will of course answer questions which members may have but the answers which I can give will be limited because of possible police disciplinary issues which may arise from this discovery.

rico sorda said...

This is the bit that really has intrigued me especially the role of the solicitor general. Seeing as he was involved in giving advise ref the original suspension and represented the Home Affairs Minister during the Judicial Review we now have him pulling this little rabbit out of the hat. And look, we now have another letter from David Warcup I swear you can't make this up. Guess what happened next?

Wiltshire had missed two deadlines by this stage

So Senator Le Marquand suspended Graham Power again.

Madness, surrounded by complete and utter madness

"It is my duty to inform this Assembly that on 2nd June 2009 I received a formal written report from the Acting Chief Officer of Police which confirmed to me the details of Operation Blast. I was first informed of the general details in relation to Operation Blast by a letter from the Solicitor General dated 30th April, 2009, and requested further information prior to making any decision in relation thereto. I am able to reveal the following information"

And guess what

All disciplinary charges were also dropped concerning Blast

rs

martiin said...

rico vfc stuart
what now all the talk all the words all the work all the research all the evidence and still nothing most states members doint give a sh*t. how long dose this go on children will suffer courts let off pedo,s it just goes on and on. by the time it gets sorted most of those that are feudalists will be dead and will not face justice there must be other ways

Anonymous said...

http://www.statesassembly.gov.je/AssemblyQuestions/2009/Deputy%20S%20Pitman%20to%20AG%20re%20Operation%20Blast.pdf

Anonymous said...

Didn't Mr Crowcroft house Mr Syvret for a few months when he first came back to Jersey
He can't be all bad.

Anonymous said...

Let's remember that the feudalists voiced outrage over the implications of Operation Rectangle for Jersey's reputation. I think they also feared of exposure of their own naked criminality, but their system's superficially democratic reputation was certainly a big consideration.

Now they have been exposed by your evidence as sloppy, incompetent, dishonest and feudalistic in their method of again covering up the previous cover up of longstanding child abuse.

The reputations of the government and the finance industry can't survive any objective outside investigation. There is undoubtedly far more fear of your journalistic prowess than they can afford to admit. You are providing evidence of the complicity and even criminality of courts, media, police, Crown appointees, civil service and elected officials.

Simon Crowcroft does not for a single minute think this is a minor thing. He is scared out of his mind. Once the evidence was placed in the permanent public domain, the clock began ticking for all involved. In order to escape being tarnished by the inevitable meltdown of this house of cards, Crowcroft would have to take heroic risks, something no traditional media hacks and very few politicians, judges and ordinary citizens have been willing to do.

Yet you took the risk Rico, and when the facts were not enough to cause an immediate political change, or generate sudden outside media interest, you mistakenly assumed you had failed to effect public opinion. What you must trust is that you do not yet have to hear that earthquake rumble under your feet to know the resulting tidal wave will be inevitable and cataclysmic for the corrupt.

How can anyone doubt they are still working hard to cover themselves by manipulating evidence, and changing the rules as fast as they can do so?

Anonymous said...

So far Simon Crowcroft appears to have been one of the good guys. He makes one admittedly strange statement and the hounds are baying for his blood.
I like the reasoned comment at February 17, 2012 4:58 PM.
It may simply be that he, like Rico was having a moment of doubt.
I imagine he is just as,if not more frustrated, with the indifference he encounters than are the readers of this blog. Be nice to the man.You need as many friends as you can get.inorta repairing

rico sorda said...

These comments are a great help thank you

Nice one zoom very kind

rs

Anonymous said...

You can carry on with this subject for as long as you want and why you ever thought people wanted you to stop doesn't make any sense at all. But much more pressing items are on the States Agenda and Simon Crowcroft is right in saying how often do you rake over something? Just a shame you have resorted to attack him for being frank with you.

Anonymous said...

You keep raking until all the weeds and stones, glass and debris have been removed.

If you don't the garden will never look healthy.

Anonymous said...

Mr. David Warcup was in the Northumbria Police Force when the case of alleged child abuse against the Rev. Peter Lister (formerly of Morpeth/Stobhill, then Yoxall/Derbyshire, now Bishops Tachbrook/Warwickshire) mysteriously collapsed on the morning of trial at newcastle Crown Court.

The R vs. Rev Peter Lister case details (Newcastle Crown Court) are worth a read, a classic example of stopping a child abuse case at the very last minute: inaccurate (or should that be clever?) police work stops the details of alleged child abuse by a vicar from being heard in an open court.

Perhaps it's a coincidence that the Reverend Peter Lister was the Director of Education, Lichfield Diocese, and in charge of hundreds of schools and youth projects. He has now taken early retirement.

Two months after Northumbria Police were alerted to the need to investigate Rev Peter Lister, the body of Gladys hammond was dug up from the graveyard of Yoxall's parish vicar... the Reverend Jenny Lister... the Rev. Peter Lister's wife.

Another coincidence.

The Rev. Jenny Lister has now left Yoxall and plays an active role within The Mothers Union in Bishops Tachbrook. The Mothers Union is an organsiation that, amongst other things, gives counselling to the victims of sexual abuse.

Church Survivors send positive strength and courage to all those fighting for justice on the island of Jersey.

April 2008

Sound familiar!!

Zoompad said...

Robert Green:

I have just had a look at the latest on Roberts blog. Someone called the Magna Carta Society Blog has just posted that Robert Green himself chose trial by Sherriff rather than by jury.

It seems to me to be a completly bonkers decision. Most people surely would prefer a proper jury trial rather than a one man affair.

Still waiting for someone to post up Roberts prison number - I'm sure VFC posted Stuart's number the same day.

I just feel so suspicious that people are being directed to write via his MP rather than directly to Robert at the prison. The same thing happened with Chris Wittwer, and it took a big effort of constant nagging to get his "team" to post up which prison he was at, and I got accused of being an aggressive troublemaker for simply asking which prison Chris was at - someone even tried to fob me off that it was confidential!

Sorry for going on and on about this but I really do think something is not right at all.

Zoompad said...

And now someone has had a right go at me, either because I am being a bit persistant in asking for someone to enlighten us which prison Robert is being held in and his prison number, or it might be because I have mentioned Ray St Clair's failed business ventures, anyway it seems to have got peoples backs up, something I inadvertantly always seem to manage. People will never believe this, but all I actually want is a quiet life, but how can I ever have one, because I can't even go to my GP and know for sure that I will recieve proper medical care. I live in fear, and that is not nice.

Zoompad said...

"the Rev. Peter Lister "

Thats my area! It was Lichfield Diocise that was in charge of Chadswells Assessment Centre, the childrens prison they put me in! It wasn't supposed to be a prison, but whoever heard of a home where you get locked into a barred cell?

Please, Anon, whoever you are, will you come onto my blog, Zoompads Blog and post some more about what you know about all of this? I can't even get proper NHS treatment, I can't "move on", as they wont let me.

Anonymous said...

Further to unon @10:01 AM
"You keep raking until all the weeds and stones, glass and debris have been removed. If you don't the garden will never look healthy."

Good sensible 'gardening' advice appreciated by the 'green fingered' types.

Only part of the story because the "brown nosed" types have used the alternative method to make the garden "LOOK healthy"

-constant and expensive re-planting and re-dressing:
Costing Literally £ MILLIONS !

1. Wiltshire report -which all of a sudden becomes "the definitive" - Congratulations Rico it seems God was working in mysterious ways through you. Perhaps ILM will fast track you to sainthood :-)

2. BDO Alto ....

3. yawn...

WAKE UP & don't laugh, they used your money suckers !

Just like the negligent introduction and subsequent removal of certain "invasive sub-species":
http://www.thisisjersey.com/latest/2011/06/08/paid-off-civil-servant-set-up-colleagues-deal/

Ogley allegedly [jep] £500,000 + pension top up etc. [syvret] who negotiated £300,000 +? for his friend Pollard.

Ogley allegedly [syvret] got his friend the rather lucrative job in the first place while chairing the appointment panel, rejecting probably better candidates and failing to declare that Pollard was errrr.... 'known' to him.

The tip of yet another iceberg.

The JEP scrape the surface and cherry pick just enough to appear relevant but they know so well when to stop that it has become second nature (oh and aren't they still controlled by the Walker family?)-if they own your minds they own the island.
**********************
Oh so clever after the event? No, but believe me, it does not take a genius to smell something was amiss
See:
http://www.thisisjersey.com/latest/2010/10/08/report-criticises-suspension/
# 23 "Rent Boy" October 11, 2010 at 11:21 am

-------------------------------

We have the fall guy:

ANDREW LEWIS

We have the reserve fall guys:

WARCUP (now he’s cheap{ish})
OGLEY (not cheap)

Now Ogley will get a real good golden handshake – dig deep everyone – YOUR PAYING (again).

--------------------------------
Max characters exceeded TO BE CONTINUED

Anonymous said...

"inane BBC gardening with Rebbecca" CONTINUED

the ACCURATE PREDICTION - 7 months in advance - was the easy part - the real achievement was getting it past the CENSORS & opinion managers at the JEP ! - the sole proprietors of truth on this island.

To their credit they have resisted attempts to remove the preceding remark :-o (October 11, 2010 at 9:58 am) off the site

Pointless of course, because it is archive saved :-)

[ok I would have only guessed 200k & without associated deals & mate pay offs etc.]

What is notable however is that the JEP 'moderators' have amongst [many] other things never allowed us to highlight the above prediction.

We have snuck in a few very oblique references to it [thank you "Proud Jerseyman" you comic genius!]- but that, as they say, is it.

Go on Mr.Lewis, Tell us how it feels & tell us what REALLY happened, there are still gaps -but very few thanks to Rico.

I'm sorry you were used Andrew, because you are basically an OK kid. It is obvious that at least you KNEW you were doing WRONG Re. G.Power.

What encouragement and advice did the big boys give you? -or were you just too keen to please?

Was there an elephant in the room at any time? Did they leave you holding the 50Kg of cr*p?

I am in danger of going off subject, where were we now? -more gardening tips now that spring is nearly upon us ?

Shall we re-plant so that whatever lurks beneath the surface can continue to gorge at our expense and the expense of our children?

The gardener in my bones says to dig and if necessary double dig. Sterilise the infestation out, keep what is still good (I hope that includes you Mr.Crowcroft), dig in that 50Kg of manure after a proper public enquiry, and start afresh without the Bailache Brothers further soiling what remains of our credibility and democracy.

Yours,
"Rent Boy"
A member of three [4 actually] monkeys*
We hold a lot of hurt inside and sometimes it spills out as 'impoliteness' -sorry

*A 4th monkey, "do no evil" is sometimes featured.
He is generally depicted with his hands over his genitals
-appropriately enough for Jersey's history in this area :-(

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

Guernsey has a newspaper that campaigns for victims/survivors of Child Abuse and not the PERPETRATORS OF IT

Anonymous said...

In response to a comment on what next, is it not a case of getting the message out to the wider audience?

I think that we all agree that everyone has a concern about money - i.e no-one likes spending money if they don't have to... generally.

If a message were to be put out about how much of our money has been spent propping up such a cataclysmic event of coverup and to then put it into everyday terms (i.e. "Happy paying GST on your food? No? Well, there was no need for it") then perhaps people will start to take notice.

The Beano is not the Rag

Anonymous said...

"Other politicians will also take note of these comments, and it will no doubt make them reticent to try and help because of the way they will be treated if they so much as disagree with you, so all your comments will have achieved is to isolate yourselves further from any chance of States representation in the future.

What a load of cobblers!. If we have politicians that do not act in the best interest of the public because they read a few posts on a blog they did not like, go what a mess the island would be in.

Anonymous said...

Quick refresher.

http://tinyurl.com/7r496x7

Who is the real Chief Minister audio 3:55

Anonymous said...

"Other politicians will also take note of these comments, and it will no doubt make them reticent to try and help because of the way they will be treated if they so much as disagree with you, so all your comments will have achieved is to isolate yourselves further from any chance of States representation in the future."

What I take away from this part of the prior comment is that your system of justice is dependent upon whether or not Rico bruises the tender feewings of those politicians who's ethics have no other motivational basis.

You might as well say that decades of systemic child abuse and a subsequent, still ongoing cover up at every level, causing untold additional harm and outrageous expense, comes down to the failure of real investigative journalists like Rico, who refuse to kiss up. That is outrageous and very sad.

Anonymous said...

Pardon me.

Commenter @February 17, 2012 4:58 PM
"No doubt I will get shouted down (or even ignored) for this sentiment, but it bears saying nonetheless."

Well your comment, particularly; "Other politicians will also take note of these comments, and it will no doubt make them reticent to try and help .... "
has not been ignored and has indeed sparked considerable robust comment and debate.

We are predominantly grown ups here and I do hope that you do not feel that you have been "shouted down"

For what it is worth I (and probably many other readers/commenters) know you make a good point which I partially preempt and reinforce with my earlier comment February 17, 2012 10:43 AM :
"BE DIVIDED AND BE RULED ..... techniques of control ... little need of this ...... It is helpful to view these two responses more positively and with more sympathy ...... Disappointing, but do not automatically assume that he has been assimilated by the dark side ...... As a little reminder to Simon Crowcroft. This IS IMPORTANT because (1) & (2) ... [did I miss 3,4,5...?] "

I have enough reason to be hot headed, but time and maturity have taught me patience. Others will have more reason to be hot headed but many will not want to comment or even read as for them it does indeed "rake up the past.

Others took their memories and comments with them when they killed themselves or perished into drug induced oblivion.

If you have followed this saga properly you will recall that Power and Harper were alerted to this oh so embarrassing problem because of the ludicrously high suicide rates amongst Jersey 'care' leavers.

The cover up and obstruction that they encountered must have made them sick to their stomachs and might excuse any areas in which Harper (allegedly) went OTT.

It is so sad that these kids had to kill themselves in order to be heard and sadder still that their voices could be again smothered by the feudalists and their "old boy and good chap" media franchises while the electorate (effectively "Middle Jersey" and "Old Jersey") look on with an intellectual and moral disconnect.

"I'm alright Jack" is fit and healthy in the voting booth; but many of the said Jack's acquaintances are blindly unaware that they have been comprehensively told what is good for them over the preceding months and years.

Max characters exceeded TO BE CONTINUED

Anonymous said...

"Pardon me" CONTINUED

The mind of the child and the mind of the adult are of the same species and not that different. Both are concerned with comfort, security and survival.

The abused child soon has this behaviour 'normalised' in their mind.

It seems that many adult minds, glimpsing abuses or seeing them covered up in broad daylight (behind a JEP/Coms dept. smokescreen) equally 'normalise and rationalise' - what do you think ?

Many who keep a rational understanding "self moderate" because they know that most of Jersey society and commerce is captured and that breaking ranks will affect their "comfort, security and [financial] survival/wellbeing"

Simon Crowcroft's apparent change of heart is worthy of comment and even some speculation.
The Humboldt squid (for instance) has many tentacles, each with many hooks and suckers. It is clever (but not remarkably so) and when in a pack it is literally a man-eater.
Simon Crowcroft is a good and brave man and has been for a long time but every man/woman/child has his price and Simon's recent 'flip flopping' gives us cause for genuine concern.

Commodity values vary, but the price could be financial, sexual, political, planted banana skin of family.
A good person can be most easily compromised through family because morality becomes confused.
This this is all idle speculation but in the unlikely event that Simon has been ensnared; I would appeal to him to show his true calibre and resist. Even use cleansing confession if appropriate and lay it before the compassion* of the people. (*_touchingly_naive.je)

FAR MORE LIKELY (imo) is that Mr.Crowcroft has suffered momentary battle fatigue and as a democrat has erroneously accepted the media controlled "Bailache Mandate" as an honest and informed will of the people. Tomorrow, or indeed Tuesday is another day and he and others may wake up refreshed and proud of themselves.

After manning the lifeboats for so long it would be odd if he jumped back on board just after the feudal ship has been captained into one iceberg too many. It would take one hell of a rope to keep him tied to the mast.

Jersey is a rock and it will not sink and it will not cut it's ties with the mainland even if some are prepared to elbow women and children out of the way to get to the lifeboat and ultimately immunity from prosecution that they think full Independence from UK will give them.

We all come to this place carrying our own baggage and prejudices but I am not a victim. My own children have taught me love and I have reconnected with my past as far as I am able.

It is our pasts and the futures that we build that make us what we are.

The boat is going down and with new holes soon to be made the wads of money are not big enough to even temporarily plug them. The footshuffle is towards the lifeboats and there are only so many places available for reformed states members.

Some have their own inflatables and some even know about or hold "nuclear options".

Max exceeded TO BE CONTINUED (again)

Anonymous said...

Pardon me #3! CONTINUED

Politicians: Fascinating, sad but divinely satirical.


"February 17, 2012 4:58 PM It is nice to see Middle Jersey engaging in adult forums and I hope you feel welcome here. Middle Jersey spends too long in places where childish nonconstructive partisan vitriol is welcomed like [non-political road-rage example]:

http://www.thisisjersey.com/news/2012/01/30/road-rage-on-the-rise/

but where political debate or factual discourse are heavily stifled and even censored.

The JEP is strongly anchored to the sinking ship. But do not ignore the JEP because it chose the last government and may even choose the next.

Expect a "charm offencive" - sadly its charm is offencive but it is a dying media (which would be a shame if the one-stop-shop was actually worth visiting).

You, 4:58 PM , and indeed oversensitive states members should appreciate the "short" comments because, in their favour, they are not long ;-)

Feelings DO run high and the passage of time and the further 'taking of liberties' reinforces them.