Saturday, May 5, 2012

OPERATION END GAME -22- SENATOR LE MARQUAND







OPERATION END GAME 22 


THE FINAL POSTING ON THE ILLEGAL SUSPENSION OF FORMER CHIEF OF POLICE GRAHAM POWER QPM


THE MUST COMPLETE DOCUMENTED ACCOUNT OF HOW THE JERSEY AUTHORITIES SUSPENDED GRAHAM POWER 3 TIMES.


THE FIRST REAL INVESTIGATIVE WORK TO BE UNDERTAKEN IN JERSEY ON THESE ISSUES 


THIS WORK HAS BEEN DONE BY A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC


OPERATION END GAME - NOT MY END GAME - BUT THE JERSEY ESTABLISHMENTS - THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD ALL GO AWAY ON THE 12TH NOVEMBER 2008


TODAY WE LOOK AT THE MYTHS AND FOLLIE OF THE HOME AFFAIRS MINISTER SENATOR IAN LE MARQUAND





I would like to thank everyone who has followed me on this journey into how the Jersey Establishment attempted to cover -up the Jersey Child Abuse Investigation. They thought that it would be achieved by removing Graham Power and denigrating DCO Lenny Harper.  The Jersey Media never even attempted any of this work. The question must be asked why? There cant be any excuse. They have a role to play in Child Protection in Jersey. What they have done is show the whole world that they are prepared to sit back and take orders from the real elite. I don't blame the normal hacks for this. These decisions come from the Editors. 


I want to take a close look at Senator Ian Le Marquand in this posting and Acting Chief Officer David Warcup. These two have a lot to answer for. One has left his post but the Home Affairs Minister remains.



But what of Senator Le Marquand a former Magistrate. Let us look at his actions. This is a person who suspended Graham Power two times. What did he achieve? 


First up Operation Haven a 'DISCIPLINARY' Investigation;

Wiltshire Police Investigation Report
Department
Home Affairs (Home Affairs)
Author
Wiltshire Police
Issue date
11 Mar 2011
Status
Published
Cost
£572,500.00

This document is the full report (suitably redacted) of the disciplinary investigation by Wiltshire Police into the management and supervision of the Historical Child Abuse Enquiry by the Chief Officer of Police - Mr G Power.
Parts of this Report were initially published on 13 July 2010, those parts are included in this document except the contents page which now reflects the contents of this document.
The text of this Report has been redacted to ensure that, in publishing this Report, due regard is had to the relevant legal principles contained in the Human Rights (Jersey) Law 2000, the Data Protection (Jersey) Law 2005 and other legal duties.

The report contains the following:
  • obligation to confidentiality
  • background and context
  • executive summary
  • supervision of Operation Rectangle by Chief Officer Power (text redacted)
  • supervision of Operation Rectangle as a critical incident by Chief Officer Power (text redacted
  • supervision of media management in Operation Rectangle by Chief Officer Power (text redacted)
  • witness statement of CO Power and lines of enquiry arising from it
  • list of conclusions 
  • list of recommendations
  • legal advice in respect of suggested charges 
  • appendices
The figure given as the cost of the report is the cost of the full investigation by the Wiltshire Police.
In Second place we have Operation Blast;

Extracts of the Wiltshire Police Investigation into files on States members (Operation Blast)
Department
Home Affairs (Home Affairs)
Author
Wiltshire Police
Issue date
14 Jul 2010
Status
Complete
Cost
£301,100.00

Extracts of the Wiltshire Police investigation into the role of the Chief Officer of Police, Graham Power, in the creation and maintenance of personal files on States Members (Operation Blast).

The report contains the following:
  • obligation to confidentiality
  • executive summary
  • background and context (text redacted)
  • investigation strategy
  • investigation (text redacted)
  • the accounts provided by CO Power
  • legal advice in respect of charges
  • assessing culpability
  • list of conclusions
  • list of recommendations
  • appendices
The figure given as the cost of the report is the cost of the full investigation by the Wiltshire Police.

 On these two Investigations the Home Affairs Minister spent £873,500.000

When you add in Lawyer fees and Graham Powers suspended on full pay I believe the total came to somewhere near 1.5 million pounds.

What happened next is quite extraordinary. Senator Le Marquand, the former Magistrate, lost all sense of Natural Justice. 

Wiltshire Haven 1 - Started in December 2008 handed over to the Minister February 2010 after missing numerous completion dates. Made public in July 2010

Wiltshire Operation Blast - Started in September 2009 handed over in June 2010

This is quite scandalous. The Buck stops at the door with the Minister. Is it right or just that Graham Power had to wait for 20+months for these reports to be completed? Remember how Graham Powers representative Dr Tim Brain was stating how shocking it was that Graham had to wait for 4 months.

So, what excuse did Le Marquand use to cover his backside on this scandalous episode. I swear you couldn't make this up. He blames Graham Power for bringing forward his retirement date. Listen to the video. Listen how Le Marquand deflects the question by denigrating Mr Power. Graham Power waits 13 months and nothing happens so gives them 6 months warning that he is retiring in July 2010. 

Listen to the Rhetoric. Le marquand states; The Island must know what happened, The islands name was blackened, the island was put through the mill, the island must know why money has been wasted (priceless)  etc etc what he fails to mention is "NATURAL JUSTICE FOR MR GRAHAM POWER". 

Wiltshire was not a report for the people of Jersey. It was a Disciplinary Investigation that was meant to follow set procedures. It concerned Mr Power and his right to a fair and impartial hearing. Remember the Judicial Review.

Just listen to  Minister Le Marquand. 





How did we end up in this situation?  Graham Power offers a reason  most people didn't realise existed. I know I didn't. Here it is;

There is an old saying which goes "Once you put a lawyer on the job you can throw away your clock and buy a calendar."   That is of course not true of all of the legal profession.   There are plenty of able and pragmatic lawyers who see the law as a useful tool which can be used to solve problems.    Not make them worse.   However, our esteemed Minister for Home Affairs, Senator Ian le Marquend does not appear to fall within that category.   Having inherited a situation which any "O" level law student could have seen needed quick and practical resolution, le Marquand chose the slow route.   Treating other peoples time and the taxpayers money as free assets at his disposal, he strung things along until, in spite of nearly two years and well over a million pounds of expenditure, time ran out on him and he was left empty handed.   And all of this set against a background of repeated assurances both to the States and the Royal Court.   So, he is a bumbling clown who even when given infinite resources cannot even get close to achieving a result.   Or is he?   Does his failure to convene a disciplinary hearing in respect of the most controversial suspension in the Island's history have another explanation?   And could the answer lie in a little-noticed paragraph of the disciplinary code for the Chief Officer of Police?

On the face of it a disciplinary hearing should not have been a problem for the Minister.   He had already made it clear that he intended to sit as judge in his own case and so there could be little doubt about the outcome.   But from the Ministers perspective there was a problem which a hearing could create and a risk that he could not take.   Paragraph 3.1 of the disciplinary code gives the Chief Officer a right of appeal.   And, for the Minister, it gets worse than that.   The appeal would be to an independent panel chaired by a nominee of the United Kingdom Advisory, Conciliation and Arbitration Service (ACAS.)   Imagine that.   Just think about the prospect of independent UK experts viewing the evidence presented by both sides and having a free rein to pass judgement and make comment as they saw fit.   Perhaps, for the Jersey regime, that was a risk too far.   So it all had to be strung out until there was no possibility of a hearing and therefore no danger of an appeal.   Of course, there would be questions to be answered along the way.   All manner of interested parties would want  to know when the Minister would be ready to move matters along.   So there was a strategy.   Just tell lies.   Questions in the States?   Tell them it will be sorted next month or the month after.   Questions in the Royal Court?   Just look serious and tell them that there will be progress soon.   Tell them anything.   Just do not call a hearing and whatever you do do not allow the prospect of an appeal.   But perhaps this account gives the regime too much credit.   It assumes that they are capable of thinking up a plan and sticking to it.

So perhaps the first explanation is the right one.   Perhaps they are just incompetent fools.   What do you think reader?

Graham Power



It really is amazing what has happened here and allowed to happen.


So does the Graham Power retirement sketch stack up for Le Marquand? Lets have a look; This is an answer to a question asked by Deputy. T. Pitman of the Home Affairs Minister. 



Mr Graham Power was appointed to the post of Chief Officer, States of Jersey Police on 1 November 2000 for a period of five years.  His contract was due to terminate on 31 December 2005. 

In March 2004, Mr Power wrote to the President of the Home Affairs Committee reminding her of the expiry date of his contract and suggesting that if the Committee was minded to address the 
issue of an extension of contract for a further two years, Mr Power was happy consider it.  The Committee agreed to an extension for a further two years, which was supported by the Appointments Commission.  Mr Power was formally advised of the extension on 1 June 2005 by 
the Chief Executive of the Human Resources Department. 

As a result of general succession plan discussions in 2006, the Human Resources Department asked the States Employment Board to consider an extension to Mr Power’s contract for a further three years, until December 2010, to enable the appointment of a new Deputy Chief Officer/Chief Officer Designate in mid-late 2008, so that the new incumbent could work alongside Mr Power, allowing the Force to have the necessary degree of continuity over the next few years.  The 
request was made acknowledging the impending retirements of the Superintendent and Deputy Chief and the extremely vulnerable position this would leave the Force if all three Senior Officers 
were to leave at around the same time.  The request was fully supported by the Home Affairs Minister, the Chief Executive of the States and the Chairman of the Jersey Appointments Commission.  The States Employment Board agreed to the request in December 2006 and Mr Power was notified in January 2007.  His contract was extended until 31 December 2010, subject to his being able to retire earlier upon giving six months’ notice. 

Mr Power formally retired from his post on 19 July 2010, having given six months’ notice

Like we said before 20+ Months and nothing. That is as straight forward as you can have it. We can see why they strung it out. No way were they going to let (ACAS) sniffing all over this. Graham Power would still be waiting today as are Abuse Survivors. His retirement had nothing to do with this.

Now remember what the court said in Graham Powers Judicial Review. 

Constructive dismissal
Mr Power was suspended on 12th November 2008 and by 5th March 2009 had therefore been suspended for just under four months. The Minister had been told that the report by the Wiltshire police was due by the end of June, which meant that Mr Power would have been suspended for some 7½ months. By the time of the hearing before us, the report had not arrived. Mr Power is in the course of preparing detailed submissions to the Wiltshire police and he estimates that the report will not be finalised much before the end of this year.
The Minister was clearly conscious of the effect of suspension on Mr Power (page 99 of the transcripts) but Mr Power invited the Court to consider whether the Minister was in fact engaged in a process of “dismissal by stealth” which would effectively bypass the need for an evidence based assessment and a fair hearing. In any event, he asked the Court to agree that the potential for a long suspension to evolve into a constructive dismissal entitled the Court to set a higher test to whether the Minister’s actions were justified, necessary and proportionate and whether he had successfully discharged the burden of proof in that regard.
Judging from previous precedents, he maintained that the suspension of a person of Chief Officer rank was normally a career ending event and in perpetuating the suspension the Minister knew full well what he was doing. The longer a suspension, the less the probability of the Chief Officer successfully resuming a career. As it transpires, Mr Power is due to retire in any event in 2010.
We can sympathise with anyone in Mr Power’s position and can understand the deleterious effect of a lengthy suspension. However there is no evidence that the Minister is engaged on a cynical exercise of his powers to bring about a constructive dismissal without a fair hearing. We address the issue of whether Mr Power’s Convention rights are engaged below, but to equate the power to suspend to a de facto dismissal would be to seriously limit the circumstances in which the power could be exercised, if ever, because until the investigation of the complaint is completed, the Minister is unlikely to be in a position to mount a case for dismissal.
In this case, the Minister considered both the length of time Mr Power had been suspended and the estimated time for the completion of the investigation. That investigation is being conducted by the Wiltshire Police and not by him, and he has little option other than to await its outcome. There is no evidence that this investigation is not being pursued with all due diligence and speed.
And what happened? You just couldn't make this up. There is more to come. I was going to do this all in one post now I realise that it will need two. The more I look the more stupid there actions are. Graham Power knew exactly what they were doing "Dismissal by Stealth" is exactly what they did. 

This is how ILM told the States that he was dropping all Disciplinary action against Graham Power on 12th July 2010.

Below is an extract from the States debate:-

Senator Le Marquand (Minister for Home Affairs)

Sir in relation to the contribution of the Connétable of St Helier he is, in my view, perpetuating a myth which has also been perpetuated for some time by the Deputy of St Martin both of whom have chosen to be, to nail their colours to the ‘Power’ mast, if I may put it that way, most firmly, perpetuating the myth that somehow Mr Power would have gone away

Greffier of the States (in the Chair)

If we could use his title please Minister

Senator Le Marquand (Minister for Home Affairs)

I’m sorry Sir, somehow the Chief Officer of Police would have gone away. The fact is, that he chose from day 1 to seek to say ‘I have done nothing wrong, I want to come back, in fact I’m going to bring legal proceedings against the Home Affairs Minister so that I can be reinstated. The fact is that there never was the option open to the Home Affairs Minister to simply pay him off – that was not something he was going to accept, that was not something he was ever going to agree to. So this is a complete myth which has been put over that somehow I had some other option open to me – the fact is it will very shortly be demonstrated when I reveal reports – which I hope to do next week – in relation to these matters that the Chief Officer of Police was very seriously at fault in a whole number of different ways, and members will then be able to judge whether my opinion of the matter.

Connétable of St Helier

Sir I think I ought to raise a point of order. I think for the Minister to pre-empt the disciplinary process is entirely wrong – the person concerned has no right of reply – this is not a judicial court – I suggest the Minister withdraws his remarks.

Senator Le Marquand (Minister for Home Affairs)

I am not withdrawing the remarks they are absolutely true and I have had to wait a very long time to say it and I will demonstrate that that is absolutely true next week from the reports which I have. I am well aware of the discipline matters, I am able to inform members if they are interested that I have today abandoned the discipline proceedings against the Chief Officer of Police upon the basis that it is impossible to finish them in the time – solely on that basis – there are ample grounds for disciplinary proceedings as will become apparent shortly [Interruption] I am not giving way, but maybe those members who have chosen to nail their colours so firmly to the mast - without actually checking with me as to what the real facts have been - may have to eat humble pie.... End

That is just simply draw dropping stuff from the Home Affairs Minister. Did he simply lose the plot? I simply love this bit

"I’m sorry Sir, somehow the Chief Officer of Police would have gone away. The fact is, that he chose from day 1 to seek to say ‘I have done nothing wrong, I want to come back, in fact I’m going to bring legal proceedings against the Home Affairs Minister so that I can be reinstated."

How dare Graham Power fight his corrupt illegal suspension. How simply dare he.


Mr Power was suspended from duty on 12th November 2008 by the former Minister for Home Affairs, Andrew Lewis, who claimed that he had evidence relating to the management of the Historic Abuse Enquiry which justified action under the Disciplinary Code. His suspension was subsequently continued by the current Minister for Home Affairs, Senator Ian Le Marquand.

Mr Brian Moore, Chief Constable of Wiltshire, was appointed in December 2008 to carry out a disciplinary investigation and report to the Minister. Senator Le Marquand originally indicated that he expected Mr Moore to report to him by March 2009. Mr Power cooperated fully with the Disciplinary Investigation and at one stage provided a written statement of over 62,000 words.

No disciplinary action was taken in 2008.

No disciplinary action was taken in 2009.

No disciplinary action was taken in 2010.

No disciplinary charges were ever brought.

No disciplinary hearing was ever called.

The costs of the suspension and disciplinary investigation have been officially confirmed as exceeding one million pounds. In a recent written answer in the States the Minister for Home Affairs said that up to the end of May 2010 the cost of the suspension and disciplinary investigation had reached a total of £1,069,776. This figure does not include the costs of the time of the Civil Servants and Law Officers who have assisted the Minister. Costs will continue to rise both in relation to cover for the absence of the Chief Officer. 

The illegal and Corrupt suspension of Graham Power along with his shockingly conflicted Judicial Review should be a stark warning to everyone in Jersey. None of it stacks up. 

The Home Affairs Minister used the local Media to conduct his own trial. The former Magistrate dropped all Disciplinary Action then conducted his own Kangaroo Trial and no one stopped him. Not our Parliament. None of our Media. Only some decent politicians raised some objections.


HOW WAS THIS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN?


The Home Affairs Minister was trying to save his own reputation. He had just entered office and was being a Disaster. This isn't my opinion but what the evidence points to.

In the Next Posting we will again be looking at the Home Affairs Minister and David Warcup.

I will also be keeping you informed about all the non replies im getting to my emails concerning possibly most conflicted Judicial Review in the British Isles.


Rico Sorda 


Team Voice


Part Time Investigative Journalist

Here is Team Voice letting the good Senator know exactly what we thought back in July 2010



31 comments:

rico sorda said...

"In this case, the Minister considered both the length of time Mr Power had been suspended and the estimated time for the completion of the investigation. That investigation is being conducted by the Wiltshire Police and not by him, and he has little option other than to await its outcome. There is no evidence that this investigation is not being pursued with all due diligence and speed."

When the Commissioner and Jurats came to that conclusion Wiltshire had missed 3 completion dates. Oh, how well informed they were lol.

Ex-Senator Stuart Syvret said...

Another great piece of work; another example of real, community-spirited public-interest journalism.

However, if I may dispute something, you say this:

"I don't blame the normal hacks for this. These decisions come from the Editors."

The normal Jersey hacks are to blame for this - along with the editors.

There is not one single solitary "journalist" - anywhere - in the island's mainstream media who has done the right thing.

Not one.

They're a collection of salary-taking slackers, trustafarian brats and posing surf-nazis.

If these people had been 'journalists' in 1930s Germany, theyd've been oiling the wheels of "consensus" that led to the gates of Dachau.

Children battered - rapped - women molested - patients killed - wholesale corruption - anti-democratic repression - illegal suspension of the Police Chief....and where is Jersey's Fourth Estate?

Not so much as a bat-squeak - from anyone of them.

Don't cut them any slack, Rico. You've done the job of twenty of them - and done so for not one penny-piece of pay - but simply because it is the right thing to do.

Make no mistake - Jersey's silent "journalists" are a key part of the collapse in the rule of law.

Stuart

Anonymous said...

Interesting to see Deputy Hilton in the Voice video when she was assistant minister to home affairs. I don't remember her voicing her concerns and now as a backbencher she seems to have found her tongue.

Anonymous said...

I look forward to reading the lengthy evaluations and explanations for all the well evidenced journalistic corruption in Jersey. Will the media representatives claim they were forced into their shameful silence because they couldn't earn an honest living without journalistic whoring? They should prefer to dig ditches and haul rubbish to dishonouring their alleged profession in this way.

This blog has provided the Island with evidence equivalent to a proverbial smoking gun, in that proof of Jersey's unethical mainstream media journalism is absolutely indisputable.

rico sorda said...

Stuart, I can see it both ways regarding the hacks.

They are mortgage reporters of news

They know their options are limited. The question that must be asked is would they tell the story if their editors allowed them? For me the editors control the news; unless I'm mistaken and a hack can report something unchecked.

For me it lies with the editors.

What I have done was very simple I'm sure if allowed they could have done the same.

Remember the Dragons Head

rs

Anonymous said...

"those members who have chosen to nail their colours so firmly to the mast"
What happened to these "members",Bob Hill voted out unfortunately Crowcroft gone native who else was there?

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

The Former Chief Police Officer Graham Power QPM summed it all up in this one paragraph.

"
On the face of it a disciplinary hearing should not have been a problem for the Minister. He had already made it clear that he intended to sit as judge in his own case and so there could be little doubt about the outcome. But from the Ministers perspective there was a problem which a hearing could create and a risk that he could not take. Paragraph 3.1 of the disciplinary code gives the Chief Officer a right of appeal. And, for the Minister, it gets worse than that. The appeal would be to an independent panel chaired by a nominee of the United Kingdom Advisory, Conciliation and Arbitration Service (ACAS.) Imagine that. Just think about the prospect of independent UK experts viewing the evidence presented by both sides and having a free rein to pass judgement and make comment as they saw fit. Perhaps, for the Jersey regime, that was a risk too far. So it all had to be strung out until there was no possibility of a hearing and therefore no danger of an appeal. Of course, there would be questions to be answered along the way. All manner of interested parties would want to know when the Minister would be ready to move matters along. So there was a strategy. Just tell lies. Questions in the States? Tell them it will be sorted next month or the month after. Questions in the Royal Court? Just look serious and tell them that there will be progress soon. Tell them anything. Just do not call a hearing and whatever you do do not allow the prospect of an appeal. But perhaps this account gives the regime too much credit. It assumes that they are capable of thinking up a plan and sticking to it."

This could, under no circumstances, go outside of the Jersey regime where impartiality, independence and fairness would play a part.

As for the role of Jersey's mainstream media, I hope to be publishing a Blog later today pointing out yet more propaganda being churned out by the discredited and disgraced BBC.

Zoompad said...

The way the victims of the child abuse are being treated now is that the ones who have plotted against us are trying to step over us all, as if we were lumps of dog poo. They've tried persecuting us, and it's got them into even more trouble and bad publicity, and now they are trying the ignore-them-and -they-will-go-away tactic.

What they would really like to happen is that us victims of abuse would just fade away or drop down dead, well, this time by Gods grace it isn't going to happen.

ILM, laughing off those kangaroo court pictures is not going to do anything but expose you as the heartless conspiring hypocrite you are, you are a disgrace to your office, and you call yourself a Christian, you are not a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ, and one day you will say Lord! Lord to him and he will tell you to go away because he does not know you. You are a very wicked man ILM.

Anonymous said...

I think Labey might have gone native also.
What happened to the planning corruption ?

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

BBC, GUNS AND LENNY HARPER

Zoompad said...

One of the abused has left this comment on VFC's blog:

"cant we organise some kind of fightback, mass demo, rent strike , sit in, any ideas?? "

As you know, I'm a Christian, and like to do things in a way that is in accordance with the Bible. One thing people can, and should do, is to go to see the minister of the church that ILM attends. They should take their complaints to the minister, just as Jesus said to do in Matthew 18 v 15.

Anonymous said...

Stuart says 'surf-nazis', lol. I think we all know who he has in mind. A certain broadcast hack with 'right-on' hippy long hair, but whose politics and bias are like a cross between Thatcher and Pinochet.

Yeah, surf-nazis, a great expresion for so many of Jersey's 'cool dudes'.

Anonymous said...

complaints and protest do not work
in a closed shop

history teaches us non-violent non-compliance is the only way to cure injustice

cyril

Anonymous said...

I prefer the Christian way of asking the Pope who has what land. Well, it worked rather well in South America.

The Beano is not the Rag

Anonymous said...

They should take their complaints to the minister, just as Jesus said to do in Matthew 18 v 15.

Tell that to the thousands of children from Ireland.

The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. (Albert Einstein)

He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.

It will do no good whatsoever to take your concerns to your minister, it is time to fight like a real christian, Remember your fight is against evil in Jersey your fight is against cover-ups and complicity in hundreds of crimes. By there very people you are supposed to seek help and justice from. History tells us its new ideas and bodies on the streets is what changes things.

Not religious platitudes.

Zoompad said...

"It will do no good whatsoever to take your concerns to your minister, it is time to fight like a real christian"

What weapons do you intend to use? Because according to Lenny Harper there are some pretty powerful weapons in the hands of some very corrupt individuals, so anyone using physical force to oppose these paedophiles and criminals is liable to end up in a pretty bad state.

How do you know it won't do any good to go to see the minister of ILM's church? Has anyone actually tried?

What doesn't do any good is people putting a big damper on ideas without even giving them a go. It's a good idea, and I have mentioned it before, a couple of years ago, and if I lived in Jersey I would go and see the minister myself.

A victim of the church said...

They should take their complaints to the minister, just as Jesus said to do in Matthew 18 v 15.

I shall say it again "Tell that to the thousands of children from Ireland."

prey do tell of the idea's that can help victims of abuse that have not been tried and this time stay away from the churches as they are one of the worst abusers this world has seen.

You may sleep walk into this crap your betters have indoctrinated you with and it appears to have worked on you as you possible were not abused by a priest, there are 100's of 1000's who were abused by the priests and the church as a body still covers up for it and this will continue until they don't have saps who support them.

Zoompad said...

Ok, so you've squashed my idea then, which happens to be a very good idea, very simple and straightforward, but according to you it's crap.

Lets hear what your idea is then? Have you actually got an idea or are you just going to squash flat other peoples ideas?

ps I am also a victim of the church, as the church "charities" were involved in Pindown, which is why none of the churches round where I live wants to even put Pindown victims of their prayer rotas, and why the minister of one church even tried to ban me from praying, and the minister of another church over the road from that one called the police on me because I was praying on the steps of the locked door (I would have gone inside but the door was so firmly bolted even Jesus wouldn't have been able to get in!)

I'll say it again - what good does it do to put a damper on ideas without even giving them a go? I can't see any reason in the world why the victims of HDLG should not take a complaint to the minister of the church of one of the ringleaders of the gang who have further persecuted them by persecuting the police officers and whistleblowers who were trying to help them!

GeeGee said...

Rico - I have only just read your latest blog posting, and before I reached Stuart's comment, I have to say my feelings were exactly the same as his.

Any self respecting person, whether it be a journalist or any other professional, would not sell their souls down the river at the expense of right versus wrong when the outcome and consequences of their actions are as alarming as they have been in this case.

Any body with a conscience, and pride in what they were doing would say 'enough is enough' and move on.

Stuart has it spot on.

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

Deputy Jeremy Macon, Chairman of Education and Home Affairs Scrutiny Panel is the confirmed LIVE guest this Thursday 10th may at 7pm HERE

Anonymous said...

"Zoompad" AND "victim of the church" you are 'both right' re. comments to 7:08 AM
Please do not let this thread get sidetracked -if you wish to discuss further you could consider doing so on Zoompad's blog if she is prepared to publish.

As an agnostic (OK an atheist really) I can totally understand "victim of the church's" position, particularly bearing in mind the name they have chosen.

Some Church's insistence on celibacy for priests must increase the risk of of their sexual frustration overflowing in bizarre, immoral, inappropriate or illegal directions.
That said, if a paedophile was not a priest then they would have become something else such as a teacher, a sports coach, a policeman etc.
Not all priests are paedophiles or bad people any more than all teachers or policeman are.

Zoompad is allowed to be a christian and she finds it useful to use biblical references but I do not find her excessively evangelical and her suggestion is OK ref. confronting the Home Affairs Minister in his church regarding his abject failure to perform the christian values that he preaches.

Zoompad is unlikely to dispute the child protection failures of churches, or the decades of compounding their mistakes -just like the Jersey Government.

Lets not fight. We are on the same side.
We need all the help we can get, even form a (non existent?) god :-)

Perhaps this would be a good time to paste in a comment I recently left on Stuart Syvret's blog ref a story that Dr. Mark Forskitt's online newspaper took me to - shocking but hopefully not widespread.

Anonymous said...

One of the links I found from Jersey's new free online Newspaper "Jersey Today":

http://paper.li/St_Ouennais/1335025742

led to this shocking article by from Time Magazine.

Castration may be to only effective cure for strong paedophile tendencies and few liberals would be in favour of it.
However in a bizarre twist it appears that in the 1950s the Dutch church was using it on the VICTIMS while leaving the PERPETRATORS INTACT !

www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2109795,00.html

"The extraordinary allegations, which were published last weekend in the NRC Handelsblad newspaper, have prompted Dutch parliamentarians to demand an inquiry into the issue, raising questions about whether the church received political cover to take such extreme measures."

"The newspaper said the castrations were regarded both as a treatment for homosexuality as well as a punishment for those who accused clergy of sexual abuse. The newspaper said 20-year-old Henk Heithuis had been surgically castrated on the instructions of Catholic priests in 1956 after he told police he was being abused at the Harreveld boarding school in Gelderland. Although the monks were convicted of the abuse, Heithuis was nonetheless sent to a Catholic psychiatric hospital and then castrated. "
"Perhaps most disturbing, however, is the fact that the castration claims were also missed by an official investigation into sexual abuse in the church published last year."
"The minutes also reveal that the heads of the institutions felt they were entitled to make such decisions without consulting the boys' parents."

---------------------

The Jersey authorities are not alone in their desperation to cover up their child abuse failures over recent years but other places with perhaps even darker secrets and they recognise how essential it is to wash their laundry, so WHERE IS OUR PUBLIC ENQUIRY ?

They constantly suggest that the cover up is to protect Jersey but really it is to protect individuals and local dynasties.

Anonymous said...

Zoompad to reply at length would be a waste time and would achieve nothing when all you ever see is someone attacking you and not religion, You have made your mind up and there is very little any other victim could say because you attack them in self defense.

Anonymous said...

The BBC2 programme
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01h7m8r/This_World_The_Shame_of_the_Catholic_Church/
is only available to watch online about one more day.

Perhaps someone with the technical know how could put it on utube?

A devastating tale of how an all powerful authority thinks that it is capable of policing itself.

Jersey is more backward though, it is still covering up, sacking good police chiefs and trying to restrict or cancel public enquiries.

If you wash it CLEAN you only have to wash it ONCE !
- don't go repeating the mistakes of the past !

Zoompad said...

Anonymous, you are welcome to come over to my blog and continue this discussion if that's what you want to do, because the last thing I want to do is clog up Rico's blog with an argument.

All I want is for the abuse to stop, and I think we all know that it won't stop until all the abusers and their protection squad are removed from office. I don't have many ideas of how to do that, it's very difficult because those wicked people are so powerful, their friends cover up for them all the time, and I thought maybe there might be a chance (a slim one I know) that the church might actually function as it is supposed to and choose right over wrong.

I have had years of malicious vindictive persecution to cope with and I am so tired, and don't want to argue with other abuse survivors at all. I found out today in an FOI request that I did about Pindown that Stafford had no proper strategy for caring for the Pindown survivors - they deliberatly kept us isolated. I feel really upset about this, and have had a good cry over it. I really don't want to argue with anyone at all, especially not other abuse survivors. I might be a dreaded Christian but I am only human.

NO AFTERCARE AND NO SUPPORT

Zoompad said...

SUPERTROLL STRIKES AGAIN

I knew that a real HDLG abuse survivor would never have attacked me for suggesting a meeting with the minister of the church that ILM attends, and I think that all my friends know that although I am a Christian I am certainly not a narrow minded Bible bashing bigot.

Funny that ILM has such people standing up for him, you'd think he would choose his friends and allies more wisely, perhaps he hasn't got much choice.

Anonymous said...

Hi Zoompad,
I describe myself as an inclusive humanist in recognition of the fact that religion is and perhaps always will be a facet of the human psyche and Exclusive humanism could be just another faction dividing humanity when really it should be a uniting force that the diversity of all people can unite under.

You could be right about "A victim of the church" but I think it just as likely that "....... ....... has spotted an opportunity to hurt both of you by pretending to be "A victim of the church" (of which there are many worldwide). Some of whom will understandably have a rabid hatred of the church(es)

"A victim of the church" -if you are genuine, I apologise and wish you all the best. Please google "inclusive humanism" as it may help you direct hope as well as anger.

My next post will, I hope, help explain Zoompad's reaction and the problem we have in jersey where certain politicians and the press consort with some rather unsavoury characters.

I just love the effeminate laugh of the one who acts so tough when hidden behind his keyboard.
One can only wonder over any gender and sexual preference issues it may have that would explain it's behaviour and targeting of child abuse victims.

rico sorda said...

I have had a little break from the blog and just let readers have their say. I don't want to go down the road of the comments I haven't published but stay focused on the facts.

I will interviewing Deputy Maçon tomorrow on Blog Tv at 7pm.

If you have a question you would like asked then feel free.

http://www.blogtv.com/People/voiceforchildren

rs

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

SCRUTINY, TASERS AND BLOG TV.

GeeGee said...

Hi Rico - I know his is your last posting on this appalling affair, but someone needs to let you know what a wonderful job you have done, how committed you have been over this total travesty of justice, and how deserving you are of the utmost praise for the time and dedication you have used on the matter.

You are, without doubt a thoroughly decent man, and a superstar to boot! That a man of your calibre has exposed a man of Ian Le Marquand's 'standing' means that people power has come via the blogs, and long may it continue.

I am aware that you are now going to persue other matters, but have no doubts that Ian Le Marquand will now go down in history as an incompetent liar, and a disgrace to the position he holds.

Bueno Fortuna Rico!

Anonymous said...

Why has Ian Le Marquand not been taken to task by a vote of no confidence by Jersey's Government.

Rico why not finish the episode and carry out a citizens arrest for misuse of public office by Ian Le Marquand.

If the Attorney General refuses to allow a prosecution based on the facts, then Jersey really has become a corrupt and desperate island, and needs invading by Westminster.

Excellent research Rico.