Tuesday, June 12, 2012

The Electoral Commission - Another Shambles???














































The Electoral Commission 


A Strange Reply



I  emailed my Submission to the Electoral Commission on the 30th May 2012


I used the the template submission that was provided on Sam Mèzec's blog. 


 I know Sam will be doing a blog about this so will keep it short. 


So far there are 84 Submissions up online - with many saying the Constables should come out of the States. 


There have been 12 Submissions using the template  which I reproduce here. This template is asking some very important questions. It's asking what every different class of States Member has done in the states.




Dear Commissioners,

I am writing to ask that the Electoral Commission does research to establish the work actually done by the different classes of member: 

How many propositions of substance; 

How many written Questions? 

How many oral Questions? 

How many supplementary Questions in oral question time? 

How many contributions to debates (excluding mere interjections) 

How many Scrutiny reports have different classes of member actively worked on? 

How many serve as Ministers or Assistant Ministers? 

What other work is carried out? 

etc. 

The reason I ask is that I never seem to read in the JEP of proposals brought to the States by Constables. They never seem to be taking the lead in Scrutiny. The reports of questions rarely feature their names. Very few were or are Ministers. 

It is obviously vitally important for the review of the composition of the States that you find out the truth on this. Only with this information can an informed view be taken. 

I also request that you publish the results quickly, (especially as it is not a difficult piece of research to do) in time for further debate and analysis to take place amongst the public. 

Yours faithfully, 

Enrico Sorda


Now this is the reply I have received




12th June 2012

Dear Mr. Sorda,
Thank you for your email asking that the Electoral Commission carry out research so as to establish the work actually done by different classes of States member. The Commission considered this request at its meeting yesterday.
As you may know the Commission is working to a very tight time-scale because the States have directed the Commission to present its report before the end of the year. If the Commission was to carry out research for one individual, it would obviously have to agree to do the same for any other individual making such a request. The Commission is unwilling to enter into a commitment of that kind.
All the information which you have requested is publicly available on the States Assembly website (www.statesassembly.gov.je) and the Commission would encourage you to use that information to support any submission that you would like to make.
Yours sincerely,










What exactly are the Electoral Commission using to come to their conclusions? If they don't know what  the different class of States Member has contributed over the years how the hell are they going to come to any conclusions? This to me is just simply bizarre.  It is simply strange.





If the information is so easily available why aren't they accessing it? 


What else are the States Members doing apart from the ones listed?


How many propositions of substance; 

How many written Questions? 

How many oral Questions? 

How many supplementary Questions in oral question time? 

How many contributions to debates (excluding mere interjections) 

How many Scrutiny reports have different classes of member actively worked on? 

How many serve as Ministers or Assistant Ministers? 

What other work is carried out? 


My conclusion is that we are witnessing


" OPERATION KEEP THE CONSTABLES "


Rico Sorda Team Voice 


Part time Investigative Journalist


http://ricosorda.blogspot.com/

Citizen Investigator

18 comments:

rico sorda said...

"As you may know the Commission is working to a very tight time-scale because the States have directed the Commission to present its report before the end of the year. If the Commission was to carry out research for one individual, it would obviously have to agree to do the same for any other individual making such a request. The Commission is unwilling to enter into a commitment of that kind."

So what exactly are they doing?

What research are they doing?

rs

Anonymous said...

Rico,
Fuuny that, I got exactly the same email today from them. Which I have forwarded onto Sam as he requested if I get a reply to send it to him.
It is the same email word for word, I was not at all surprised Rico.
JA x

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

I got the exact same reply from them which shows this Electoral Commission to be nothing more than a scam.

They said in OUR e-mails

"If the Commission was to carry out research for one individual, it would obviously have to agree to do the same for any other individual making such a request."

But as you have stated you know of TWELVE submissions with the same request how can they say it is "ONE INDIVIDUAL?"

A complete sham and it's Senator Bailhache who should be facing a vote of CENSURE

Anonymous said...

Very well done again, Rico.

Anonymous said...

They are pretending to have a commission on electoral reform.
They are not doing any research in fact I doubt they are doing very much at all.
We all know it's what PB wants will get voted through.
How people can allow themselves to be used in this underhand way is beyond me but we all know that money talks.

Anonymous said...

Hi Rico

I have had the same e-mail with regard to my submisson directed me
to states assembly web site.
As I said in my submisson having this info. to hand perhaps the public would more informed therefore more engaged in the process.
Perhaps this is not what they want......!
Keep up the Good Work onwards and upwards
Lucy

Anonymous said...

The feudal regime doing all it can to desperately hang on to power.

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

We should remember exactly what Senator Bailhache has been allowed to GET AWAY WITH

Anonymous said...

As long as the Bailhache brothers are involved Jersey will never experience true democracy.

Anonymous said...

I have also received the verbatim reply.

Sam Mézec said...

For those interested to see my response to the email, I have posted all correspondence here -

http://sammezec.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/wholly-inadequate-response-from.html

Meetings are being held soon to decide on the course of action. More news to follow!

Anonymous said...

Is there a code of conduct or set of principles published for the Electoral Commission? Do they have to adhere to a Mission Statement? If so, it is likely to include directives for acting in the public good. An informed electorate may not be their goal, but they have probably given lip service to it somewhere. If not, could they describe their duties? This request by you and Sam and others goes right to the core of what they would owe the public if Jersey became a democracy.

Anonymous said...

You bloggers are interfering with plans by Sir Bailhache to take over the island one step at a time. Good for you.

rico sorda said...

About the Electoral Commission
The Electoral Commission has been set up by the States of Jersey to examine the constitution of the States Assembly.

These are its terms of reference:

1. The Electoral Commission shall consider all the following areas -

Classes of States member;

Constituencies and mandates;

Number of States members;

Terms of office;

and all other issues arising in the course of the work of the Commission which are relevant to the needs stated above.

2. The views of the public in Jersey should be sought and all such views taken into consideration. Formal meetings and hearings of the Commission should be held publicly in Jersey unless the Commission believes that there are reasonable grounds for holding a meeting or hearing in camera. The content of all written submissions to the Commission will be made available to the public, unless the Commission believes that there are reasonable grounds for non-disclosure of a submission or part of a submission, and should be attributed unless the submitter explicitly requests that a submission shall be non-attributed and the Commission accepts the reasons for such a request.

3. The Electoral Commission shall review existing studies and research and conduct further research as it sees fit.

4. At the conclusion of its investigation, the Electoral Commission shall present a report with recommendations to the Privileges and Procedures Committee to enable the Committee to present the Commission’s proposals to the States for approval prior to the submission of the proposals to the electorate in a referendum under the Referendum (Jersey) Law 2002.

To find out more about the work of the Electoral Commission to date, visit our News page.

rico sorda said...

The 12 Parish Connétables provide a direct link between the parishes and the States and traditionally Connétables have seen it as part of their rôle to represent the interestsof their parishioners as a whole on any topic comingbefore the States. It is often argued that the strong and much-valued parish system in Jersey would be seriously undermined if the Connétables no longer sat in the States.

Once elected as Parish Connétables they automatically have a seat in the States. It is nevertheless clear that when electors vote for a Connétable they are fully aware that they are voting for someone who will sit in the States and Connétables have often taken on positions of significant responsibility in the States Assembly under both committee and ministerial government.

Although the link between the parishes and the States isan important one, some have nevertheless argued that Connétables have significant duties in their parishes and,as a result, will tend to give priority to parish responsibilities and therefore have less time available than Senators or Deputies for States work. In addition some have claimed that certain islanders who are interested in the life of their parish, and who might therefore be willing to stand for the position of Connétable, do not do so because they do not wish to serve as a States member as well.

Another concern that has often been expressed is thateach Connétable represents a very different size electorate even though, once elected, each has the same weight and influence in the States Assembly. The combined total population of the 8 most rural and semi-rural parishesis 2,556 less than the population of St. Helier alone,even though these 8 parishes are represented in the Assembly by 8 Connétables compared to St. Helier whichis represented by just one. It has often been argued that,as a result, the urban areas are currently under-represented in the Assembly.

That is from the Electoral Website.

What we are saying is does it stack up? What do they do when they are in the States? Are they partaking? Or, just having an easy ride.

This goes for all types of members.

We need to know what people do

rs

Anonymous said...

Madame Fifi does not even have to peer into her gazing ball to ask:

Don't you know this was all supposed to lead to a lovelier place where there were polite conversations instead of democratic debate, and polite leadership from the Man Who Would Be King instead of balance of power and messy transparency?

rico sorda said...

Someone call the UN

What a Shambles

rs

Anonymous said...

'Sir' Bailhache somehow reminds me of The Black Knight who appeared in a scene of the film Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

As his name suggests, he is a black knight who guards a "bridge" (in reality a short plank of wood) over a small stream, for unknown reasons. Although supremely skilled in swordplay, he suffers from unchecked overconfidence and a staunch refusal ever to give up.

I think the name suits him for other reasons too.