Tuesday, June 26, 2012

TRUTH-HONESTY AND INTEGRITY.. IN THE GUTTER











OPEN AND TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT


A DIRTY WORD IN JERSEY?


ANOTHER CRAZY DAY IN THE CIRCUS THAT IS THE  "STATES OF JERSEY"


DEPUTY MIKE HIGGINS AND P.48/2012


Deputy Higgins was asking the States to make public the  transcripts  of the statement and answers given by the then Home Affairs Minister Andrew Lewis to the house in November 2008. Deputy Higgins believed that the hard evidence showed that the then Minister had misled the house regarding the original suspension of then Police Chief, Graham Power QPM.

Todays debate would also have to be held "in camera". This is because he would be quoting the evidence given by Andrew Lewis. 

As Deputy Higgins states in P48/2012:

" Because of the nature of an in camera debate I cannot set out in the report the reasons why I believe Members were misled - but I will be requesting the States to debate this proposition in camera so that these reasons can be revealed to members."


Now that is quite straight forward you would think… WRONG


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I have to tell my readers that 19 States Members even voted against this.  Yes, 19 States Members voted against it even going in camera. The vote was 19 - 24. If Deputy Higgins had lost this vote, which he very nearly did, then his proposition would have failed before it had a chance of being heard. That meant 19 States Members were voting on not to hear the evidence it is as simple as that.  The members who voted against this part are: Did some

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 Did some of these members even understand what Deputy Higgins was asking? It had to go in camera or he would not have been able to reveal the evidence. The reason I say this as Deputy Maçon - Deputy Labey and Deputy Roy Le Hérissier all supported Deputy Higgins in the debate. 

Why would States Members even vote against this? Could it have something to do with Senator Bailhache getting and setting the tone? 


Never underestimate the long arm of the former Chief Minister Frank Walker. The reason I say this is simple. They have been caught out with the illegal and not fit for purpose first suspension of Graham  Power on the 12th November 2008. They simply can not have it out in public that the then Minister Andrew Lewis misled the house. The suspension goes right to the very heart of the Jersey Child Abuse Cover - Up.  I have shown on this blog how corrupt and illegal it all is. 

These actions against the former Chief of Police - who's only crime was investigating decades long child abuse - show us all the real toxic underbelly of Jersey.  Why is it that anything that concerns the Child Abuse Investigation gets defeated heavily. These people who govern us are dangerous. 


They operate with "Groupthink" 


They Vote against the Truth - They Vote against Integrity and they Vote against Honesty.


During the debate, did the States Members who voted against Deputy Higgins Vote against the Evidence? or did they defend the man? This is a very important point. This was about the evidence. I know from my research where the evidence leads. There is a claim that because it was in camera it should stay in camera total tosh say I. There is a debate to be had about the whole issue of going in camera. It is simply ridiculous the way this is used in Jersey. If we are honest we can say it fits in perfectly with the whole secret environment of Jersey on really contentious  issues.


Let us now look at how they Voted during the debate and the ones who voted against Truth - Honesty and Integrity. You will see the pattern that emerges. Bit strange that Senator Ozouf voted against Truth, Honesty and Integrity when you think about all the going on with Lime Grove. What about Constable Murphy? Isn't it Constable Murphy that has signed the censure motion agains Senator Ozouf? Bit fickle this lot. 


But lets not mess about here. This is about Child Abuse. This is about the Cover-Up of Child Abuse. This is for the same reason that the Committee of Enquiry into decades long Child Abuse keeps getting put back and put back. In my opinion, the Children of Jersey are no safer now than they were in the past. Who would dare step out and speak up in this climate? Not a chance. Who would you go to? The local Media? Not a chance.  The bloggers have exposed this. 


I look for people who show no fear. I look for politicians who show no fear. 

I received this as a comment but should be published here:

The following advert was placed in the JEP yesterday:

States of Jersey

Committee of Inquiry
Andrew Williamson Review

The Chief Minister has commissioned child protection expert Andrew Williamson to review the draft Terms of Reference for the Committee of Inquiry into historical child abuse.
As part of the review, Mr Williamson will be conducting interviews to ensure he fully understands all perspectives on this issue.

If you have not already discussed these issues with Mr Williamson and would like to put forward your experiences, please contact Vanessa Page on 440546 by 6 July to arrange to speak to him. End


You see. They are stalling and stalling. This is beyond ridiculous. What about the survivors of Abuse? They are worth nothing in the eyes of these cowards that govern us. Im trying to keep hold of my temper so it doesn't spoil this posting. But if there are people out there who still think there wasn't a cover-up I suggest you stand for the states and join the 30 Members below. They would welcome you with open arms.

Rico Sorda

Team Voice 

Part Time Investigative Journalist






These are the ones who didn't even want to go in camera. Again I say  can you believe it?





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47 comments:

Zoompad said...

"In my opinion, the Children of Jersey are no safer now than they were in the past. Who would dare step out and speak up in this climate? Not a chance. Who would you go to? The local Media? Not a chance. The bloggers have exposed this."

This is what they do. This is why you have people complaining about being abused decades ago, and then people say "Why didn't you complain sooner" and accuse you of being a compensation hunter. Some people have been complaining for decades.

Most of those people have got families. At least one of them will probably have someone in their own family who will fall prey to paedophiles. If they do, they will do well to remember all this, and their own part in the gutless shameful cover up.

So be it.

Anonymous said...

Monsters the lot of them.

Ian Evans said...

A very predictable vote

rico sorda said...

1240/5(6941)
WRITTEN QUESTION TO THE MINISTER FOR HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES BY DEPUTY M.R. HIGGINS OF ST. HELIER ANSWER TO BE TABLED ON TUESDAY 26th JUNE 2012

Question

Further to the provisions of the Children (Jersey) Law 2002, will the Minister publish a list of all living and deceased members of the board of governors/board of management/board of trustees for Haut de la Garenne since 1960, and if not, why not?

Answer

Haut de la Garenne, which closed in 1987, has never been administered by the Health and Social Services Department. It was the responsibility of the Education Committee.

HSSD does not therefore directly hold records relating to the membership of any Board, if in fact there was a Board in place. Any remaining records that do exist would be held at the Jersey Archive, however clarification would be required from Law Officers as to whether HSSD could publish any such information.

GeeGee said...

Stalling indeed Rico - when the JCLA met with Mr Williamson on 14th June he said he was going to go back and write his report which he expected to be no more than 2 pages long, and indeed would be with the Chief Minister 2 weeks hence (tomorrow).

This is an utter disgrace, and it seems to me that for some reason 'they' are waiting for the compensation issue to be done and dusted before this CoI will see the light of day - if ever. Pressure now HAS to be brought to bear as for the survivors enough is now enough.

On the matter of records at Jersey Archive, I have been there myself on the same 'mission' only to be told that the records are closed i.e. too recent to be disclosed. In any event why on earth would the Law Officers have to be involved in any disclosure of this information?

It all stinks to high heaven and I join you Rico in being very angry.

Anonymous said...

Who was in charge of the globally infamous House of Horrors known as Haut de la Garenne?

"Haut de la Garenne, which closed in 1987, has never been administered by the Health and Social Services Department. It was the responsibility of the Education Committee.

HSSD does not therefore directly hold records relating to the membership of any Board, if in fact there was a Board in place. Any remaining records that do exist would be held at the Jersey Archive, however clarification would be required from Law Officers as to whether HSSD could publish any such information."

The above answer, as a stand alone statement, should serve as a thorough indictment of the Jersey way.

Elle

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

This statement needs repeating.

"In my opinion, the Children of Jersey are no safer now than they were in the past. Who would dare step out and speak up in this climate? Not a chance. Who would you go to? The local Media? Not a chance. The bloggers have exposed this."

THIS is what the Majority of our government voted against.

Anonymous said...

Jersey is getting so far out of control why don't London step in and enforce a proper rule of law and government?

rico sorda said...

I have said it before and I will say it again - This government isn't fit to govern- end of story.

It is a complete and utter shambles. What can you say. They are even scuppering the Committee of Enquiry right in front of all of us and not a care in the world.

Chris Swinson the Auditor General has been compiling Reports for the States of Jersey for how many years? Now that he has done one that nails Senator Ozouf Swinson is made out to be a bozo. You can't make this place up - its completely nuts.

What I've heard reported today is not about the continued cover up of the illegal suspension of graham Power but how Chris Swinson is now the bozo from the UK who doesn't know how to compile a report and has filled it full of false hoods.

Matron- the drugs please

rs

Anonymous said...

Truth , Honesty and integrity
Carolyne Labey?

Anonymous said...

I can understand why some thought it was necessary to hold the original debate "In Camera" as at the time Graham Power was still the Chief of Police and the arguments for his subsequent suspension may have undermined him at the time when the States may have voted not to. However, surely there is no security issue or national defence issue and having the whole discussion in the open, if only to prove everything was done correctly and to disprove the so called "conspiracy theorists".

So today tells me, there is big trouble ahead. Surely for sake of the truth someone ought to leak that debate.

rico sorda said...

Deputy Labey voted the right way on both parts of the proposition but what she was thinking about on the shall we go 'in camera' or not god only knows.

rs

thejerseyway said...

Hi Rico.

Just put up the Audio of the Debates that didn't happen today. You & your reader's can listen HERE

TJW.

GeeGee said...

Having (sort of) calmed down a bit Rico, I think we should all be able to see what Gorst's little game is. Williamson coming back is probably another way of saying he is not 'reviewing', but compiling new ToR's to suit. Not to suit the abuse survivors, but that nasty snivelling bunch in the CoM who do not want this CoI.

Conveniently also, I guess by the time this further meeting and report sees the light of day we will be well into or nearing the summer recess, and we all know only too well who that will suit.

Hang your head in shame Chief Minister. This government is not just in the gutter Rico - it is swilling about in the sewers.

Anonymous said...

Jersey is getting so far out of control why don't London step in and enforce a proper rule of law and government?

Today 27 june Guardian headline Jersey to go independent,that's why London won't step in they want rid of us!!!

Anonymous said...

The Times and now the Guardian. Rico, are these the journalist you bloggers have been speaking with? If so, do you know if they will be reporting on your work...

Anonymous said...

Sir Philip Bailhache, the island's assistant chief minister, said: "I feel that we get a raw deal. I feel it's not fair … I think that the duty of Jersey politicians now is to try to explain what the island is doing and not to take things lying down.

Today Guardian,what happened to our Chief Minister surely on such an important topic a mere Assistant is not good enough to speak on this matter.

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Jersey threatens....

You call that a threat? It's like being savaged by a dead sheep.

Just one comment amongst many the same vain in Guardian comment section

Anonymous said...

Just leave Sir Bailhache alone....

Let him take enough rope!?

Ian Evans said...

THE REAL JERSEY

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

A timely REMINDER

Anonymous said...

Respect is due boys!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/28/jersey-secrecy-culture

Very well done.

Anonymous said...

Rico, what can I say!!!!!!! LEGEND

Anonymous said...

From the guardian ''The States of Jersey have also agreed to hold an independent Committe of inquiry into child abuse within the Island's care system''

Yet, in R.8 2011 The Council of Ministers gave reasons for not pursuing a Committee of Inquiry,
''The council is in no doubt that fair and impartial justice has been delivered''.

The majority of people must surely believe This independent COI will be structured to appease the council of ministers agenda.

rico sorda said...

Thank you. I have now read the article. I feel so proud of my fellow bloggers who have never given up in search of the truth especially in the face of the hostility we have received.

The Truth is all we want. Nothing more.

The Victims of Abuse deserve the truth and justice

They tried covering it up by removing the Chief of Police on November 12th 2008. Then some determined individuals got involved. This isn't over yet not by a long way. Onwards we go.

Thank you for all the support it really does mean a lot to us

rs

Anonymous said...

So proud of you determined bloggers, and of our fellow Colorado gal, Leah McGrath Goodman, for her effort to write a book about Haut de la Garenne despite being refused entry by UK and Jersey. You are people who all stood up to tyranny in your own way, as did Stuart, Graham Power and Lenny Harper, the child abuse survivors and their political supporters. The lies are unraveling as your truths take their place. Kuddos to Nick Shaxson and the Guardian for shining their bright lights on this.

The Denver Gals

rico sorda said...

Leah McGrath Goodman
Author, Historian and Investigative Journalist

"I am the spawn of an artist and an English teacher. Despite their best efforts, I have been writing about money and power for more than a decade. In other words, I know a fat tail from a cattail and I know how to warp a loom. I have written for The Financial Times, Barron's, The Wall Street Journal, Forbes and Institutional Investor from New York, London and Dubai. I wrote a best-selling book (which you can get on Amazon via this site) that was nominated for the 2011 Financial Times and Goldman Sachs Business Book of the Year Award. I am writer-at-large for Absolute Return magazine, a contributor to Fortune and member of the London Speaker Bureau. My specialty is institutionalized cultures of corruption. If you don't like cultures of corruption, subscribe here. If you do...subscribe here anyway. It's good to know your enemy."

You can see why they kicked this lady right out of jersey. They can't have professionals asking the questions. How can our hick ministers fool these people? Must have been sheer panic.

Anonymous said...

What was it that Senator Ben Shenton, the son of Senator Dick "a little bit of corruption never did anyone any harm" Shenton once said in a government meeting?

"You're not going to take the words of a pipe fitter seriously, are you?"

Something like that.

As I've often said: not bad for a pipe fitter!

Zoompad said...

Nice work! Now, give those BBC paedo protectors a roasting, because they are not going to be allowed to bury this stuff any more.

I am going to write to them and send them the article, and I hope others will do likewise. By not reporting on this disgusting persecution of child abuse victims and whistleblowers they are siding with the abusers, they are lifting up the carpet so that everything can be swept underneath. WELL THEY MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH IT ANY LONGER!

GeeGee said...

Leah's article is also a 'must read'and illustrates the fear that pervades lest the truth in its full, gory glory comes out.

Trouble is - it will. It always does and however long it takes, and for as long as it remains hidden there will be the intrepid few who will ensure it does.

Veritatem et iustitiam.

Anonymous said...

The latest cracking comment from "CivilSerpent" 29 June 2012 10:05AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/26/jersey-threatens-independence-tax-backlash?commentpage=1#start-of-comments


This comment hits the bullseye and is exactly the sort of comment that is not permitted on the JEP's thisisjersey pseudo-debating site. (paste it in and see)

I would encourage readers in agreement to click on "Recommend" on the above link so that these issues begin to get the attention they deserve.

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Thank you for your vitriolic response Klinefeld. Quite a typical response I might add for the oligarchy, its supporters -usually those with a vested interest in the status quo being maintained (finance industry) - and those on the payroll.

I particularly enjoyed the attempt to denigrate Mr Sorda for his lowly status in life. Can't have a working class oik digging up dirt now can we Klinefeld. Of note, Klinefeld you say:

"these blogs are mostly opinion based and seldom with facts and evidence to back their claims"

Then you admit that most of what he puts on his blog are official documents available to the public. Klinefeld, those documents (many of which would never had seen the light of day save for Mr Sorda's tenacity) are filled with "facts and evidence to back their claims". Mr Soda and Mr McMurray have unearthed more real evidence and asked more questions of the government over the last couple of years than any 'mainstream' local journalist.

As to the JEP You might find that the newspaper does not slag off the Jersey government. Only certain opposition individuals within the government or those who the establishment have fallen out of favour with. Should readers wish to see how it really works they should also read this excellent article. Although Klinefeld will probable say that the former Chief Police Officer Graham Power QPM is 'not all there' too.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/28/jersey-secrecy-culture?intcmp=239

If the Jersey media were fullfilling their role (Lord Leveson would have a field day with our lot) can you explain why BBC Jersey has been in possession of Graham Power's damning affidavit for 8 months and yet not reported a single word on the serious accusations?

Can you explain why the Sharp Report - http://www.no2abuse.com/index.php/news/comments/the-sharp-report-jersey-abuse-download/ - concerning child abuse by staff at Victoria College (the Governor of which at the time was one Sir Philip Bailhache, who now, as a sitting politician, does NOT want a committe of enquiry into decades of child abuse in Jersey) was never investigated by the JEP? As the Governor, was not Bailhache ultimately responsible for the welfare of the children at the school? I can only wonder why he doesn't want an enquiry?

The UK press would have been all over these scandals. In Jersey, it's as if they never happened.

Perhaps it has something to do with the former Chief Minister, Frank Walker, previously owning the only Jersey newspaper and still having a huge influence there. Perhaps his marriage to one of BBC Jersey's top former journalists helped to cement an influence there? Who knows...

It's called 'opinion management' Klinefeld. It helps to prevent the public from having a negative opinion of the establishment and helps to keep them in power. You are either a part of it or a sucker for it.

And if the UK readrs think that none of this is relevant to them or to tax avoidance, all the above is done to protect Jersey's finance industry. The reputation of the island is paramount. That does affect you.

Sweep the dirt under the very big carpet guys.

rico sorda said...

Im working on a new very important posting that should be up on Sunday. It will be running along the lines of the Guardian article.

RS

Anonymous said...

GeeGee is so right about the truth coming out. It is irrepressible now, and the lion's share of the credit belongs to blogs like this one.

Of course, substantial credit should also be given to the overreaching feudalists who have drawn even more attention to their corruption by denying a highly "accredited" journalist permission to enter Jersey. What the UK did by banning her there too, will only bring more publicity to an acclaimed author who was already a popular UK speaker and media personality and who can now claim to be UK's only professional American journalist with such a ban on her travel. And her banning has already attracted the intervention of an MP, John Hemming.

This is a rather apt quote by Eric Hoffer: "You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you..."

They are afraid of this woman even setting foot on the shore. But as to the enormous potential for that to backfire, what were they thinking?

It is not so unlike the attention grabbing dawn raid and police-state-style arrest of Stuart Syvret, for a so-called violation of a data protection clause for exposure of the suspected serial killer nurse. It brought exponentially more exposure to the suspicious behavior and previous crimes committed by the nurse.

At least in the case of a journalist of her calibre, some of Leah McGrath Goodman's colleagues in the journalism world will step up now. Most live far enough away from the reach of these obviously truth-averse feudalists. She is known for being outspoken and brave and she can also rely on the support of outraged students and colleagues within the University of Colorado and other larger academic communities. How could her banning not directly lead to greater exposure of the child abuse cover-up?

Elle

Anonymous said...

Hi, Rico.

I posted this comment on the Guardian site, also in response to the same topic and commenter as above. Unfortunately, I also accidentally voted for the comment by Klinefeld that was abhorrent, the same one CivilSerpent so eloquently responded to above. Feel free to join in and offset my mistaken vote!

Chelloise, 29 June 2012 3:46PM
"Response to Klinefeld, 29 June 2012 2:16PM
No, investigative journalism is not Mr Sorda's full time occupation but it seems to fall to him to research and report factually on some of the most significant stories in Jersey. It is apparently not anyone else's full time paid occupation in Jersey to cover the hard evidence in this saga either, as BBC Jersey, the JEP and Channel Online will generally not risk speaking truth to power on the issues the Rico Sorda Blog and VFC cover.

Local mainstream media are fearful for a reason. In the related Guardian story mentioned by CivilSerpent, you can read about the solidly accredited full time journalist who is banned from returning to Jersey and now even the UK, because she was investigating Haut de la Garenne for her upcoming book. If credentials are what defines journalism for you, this author should float your boat. She has been affiliated with the Wall Street Journal, the Guardian, NBC News Financial Times, Barrons, and MSNBC, and has a long list of professional journalistic accomplishments. She and the Guardian professionally credit and link to both Jersey blogs in their own "professional" journalistic coverage. Other professional journalists and popular book authors have described the near impossibility of challenging the status quo in Jersey, some finding it to be nightmarish.

I suggest you read the past reporting by the Rico Sorda and Voice for Children Blogs to reassure yourself that they have not used any one single incident or lapse by BBC Jersey to define BBC' Jersey's inability to actually investigate and report the factual evidence. There is a long list of examples, and in the the USA, there are a number of us who have contacted BBC to provide intensively documented evaluations of the astonishingly misleading coverage of Operation Rectangle, in the post-Graham Power era. The topic of BBC complicity in Jersey corruption related to the child abuse investigation is well examined in academic coursework here.

Do not doubt that Jersey's courageous bloggers have already launched a re-examination of pivotal evidence which will lead to thorough coverage of this by mainstream media outside Jersey. I predict it will be explosive. It certainly should vindicate those Jersey bloggers whom you so arrogantly dismiss, in keeping with your feudalistic class-based power structure. If the rug is not so big, the dark hole benieth it must be a deep one, indeed. There are better defining characteristics of a "decent government" than your proffered example of defending an unearned reputation for decency."

Anonymous said...

Rico,

Do you have an email address where you can be contacted?

rico sorda said...

You can send me your email with not for publication and I will get in contact

Thanks

rs

Anonymous said...

Rico are you standing for election?

GeeGee said...

Elle - if the Jersey feudelmasters really think that by denying Leah the opportunity to 'visit' the UK and Jersey that it will be in any way a deterrent to her completing her investigations and book, they really are more naive than they appear at present.

This is a world where communication is at the touch of a button, and knowing Leah, she is one fiesty, clever and determined lady who will not be deterred by any of this.

Luckily, her situation is now out in the open, hopefully meaning that any 'doubters' will realise just how much people in high places must have to be afraid of.

We are not talking conspiracy theorists, just facts and truth.

Ian Evans said...

OUR CORRUPT COURTS

rico sorda said...

Rico are you standing for election?

NO - NEVER

That has nothing to do with the work I do

rs

Anonymous said...

Agree with you 100%, GeeGee. Leah sounds like a feisty lady indeed. It seems like her mistreatment should cause protests in the UK. Are you hearing a higher level of outrage over it?

Elle

Anonymous said...

UNBELIEVABLY the Guardian has allowed the removal of the comment from "CivilSerpent" 29 June 2012 10:05AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/26/jersey-threatens-independence-tax-backlash?commentpage=1#start-of-comments
reproduced here @ June 29 shortly after 1pm

the mechanism of the Guardian website means that "Klinefeld's" response and any subsequent responses are also deleted
see "This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn't abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted"

I hope that this deletion is an "autopilot" response from a moderator as it is difficult to find anything in "CivilSerpent's" comment that is anything other than robust and rather well informed comment.

"Klinefeld" (& others) may be working for free as many do if they are "heavily invested" in the Jersey status quo. He may equally well be a paid Public Relations or Lawyer troll -sickeningly being paid out of the pockets of us islanders.

PLEASE COULD "CivilSerpent" AND "Chelloise" [above @ June 29, 2012 3:57 PM ] re-work and resubmit their comments at
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/26/jersey-threatens-independence-tax-backlash?commentpage=1#start-of-comments
because moderators can easily delete legitimate comment without proper consideration
You (& any other persons you may have inspired) wishing to have your valid opinions heard should remove anything too contentious or put "edgy" bits in a separate short comment.

We should not necessarily read too much into the removal of this comment. However, the Jersey establishment do have a small army of volunteers and paid legal people to slap threats on what would usually be viewed as free expression on the mainland.

The shocking treatment of the world class journalist Leah McGrath Goodman raises some further possibilities.
1) It just happened - Jersey asked for it and it went through system unflagged and the UK banned her.
2) The influence of the Jersey (&money) old boy network made it happen (at considerable risk to the UK's reputation as a free country !)
3) M.I. involvement - "facilities and opportunities" in Jersey may have been made available for "honey trap" operations.

I want to believe #1 as by the time we get to #3 we are into conspiracy theory (but then we do not invade oil rich countries on the pretext of non existent weapons of mas destruction do we ?)

It is time for London to take Jersey in hand and to stop this abuse of power and Jersey's more vulnerable people.
It is time for BBC UK to distance itself from its rogue franchise in Jersey.

GeeGee said...

Elle - on local blogs yes, but from our 'media' (I use the term loosely!) nothing, nada, zilch! Not a peep or a whisper, although I do understand that the BBC interviewed Stuart yesterday, but I have not heard that.

The deafening silence speaks volumes!

rico sorda said...

BBC Jersey did in fact interview Stuart Syvret yesterday. Both myself and VFC asked Stuart not to give them an interview as they were just doing it to cover their backs as they could say they reported on it. What we want them to do is investigate the issues not just get soundbites.

They allowed Stuart a fair go but the point was missed. They, and not us bloggers, should be investigating and reporting on these issues and nor should they be using taxpayers money to advertise the JEP every day.

Are they even allowed to do this under their charter?

rs

Anonymous said...

Further to my last comment @12:57 I now notice that comments section at
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/26/jersey-threatens-independence-tax-backlash?commentpage=1#start-of-comments
has been closed. "Comments on this page are now closed."
Does anyone who is familiar with the Guardian website know if this is normal to close after only 3 days ?

Perhaps some threatening calls from the "legal whores" have made them decide that they do not need this and it is just too hot to handle.
Or perhaps they know that there is a week's worth of hot stories hiding under the surface they have now scratched and they want another coup by being the first to publish.

Time will tell.

Those wishing to spend time on writing comments or on recycling past gems will find other comments pages open including
www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/offshorefinance/9358273/Jersey-should-prepare-for-independence-from-UK-warns-minister.html

The deniers, the apologists and the concealers and their minions cannot cover all the bases (or are they still doing "super-injunctions" ?)

This is unstoppable now, it has it's own momentum -but do not stop pushing !

GeeGee said...

Rico and VFC - greatest respect for not affording the BBC your time when it has been that very organisation (and others) who should have been investigating and following this through to the bitter end.

The utmost shame on the
'accredited media' of Jersey for their attempts to mislead the people of this Island who are perhaps not quiet as stupid and naive as they would like to think we are.

As per the comment above, this indeed has its own momentum and it is undeniably very forceful. Those who believe in and know what is worth fighting for will NEVER stop pushing.

Anonymous said...

Readers not living in Jersey should be under no doubt of the courage required to publish these transcripts.

Rico exposes himself to a very real risk of oppression by the regime.

It is almost inevitable that they will arrest him, raid his home, and prosecute him.

In Jersey, there is no crime as serious as exposing wrongdoing by public authorities.