Friday, October 19, 2012

JIMMY SAVILE; 'He was tip of the iceberg'














THE TELEGRAPH 'Saturday Edition'


Jimmy Savile: 'He was the tip of the iceberg’

The wide-ranging investigation into Sir Jimmy Savile’s depraved activities has focused attention once more on claims of a possible paedophile ring and a 'culture of cover-up’ on Jersey

Haut de la Garenne children’s home. Sir Jimmy Savile denied every having been to Jersey
Haut de la Garenne children’s home. Sir Jimmy Savile denied every having been to Jersey Photo: GETTY
In the bleak days of March 2008, the world’s media gathered outside Haut de la Garenne, a forbidding and isolated former workhouse and children’s home on Jersey. Police were digging for possible human remains and other evidence after almost 200 former residents of the home alleged abuse, including torture and rape, by staff and visitors over many years, with claims that some youngsters had “disappeared”.
Officers from mainland British forces, who had previously taken over leadership of the local force on a mission to root out alleged “endemic corruption” within Jersey’s constabulary, led the high‑profile investigation into historical child abuse on the island.
Now two of those officers, Jersey’s former Chief Officer Graham Power and the former Deputy Chief Officer Lenny Harper, the senior officer in the Haut de la Garenne abuse inquiry, are backing victims’ calls for an outside force to investigate allegations that Sir Jimmy Savile and others, including some celebrities, regularly sexually abused children on Jersey.
The shocking revelations of Savile’s depraved behaviour have, to the relief of the Jersey abuse victims, refocused attention on Haut de la Garenne. In their view, it confirms their claims that the home was at the heart of a well-protected paedophile ring.
Allegations against Savile and other famous and powerful people were made during the 2008 inquiry. Earlier this week, the Telegraph revealed that another alleged abuser was the actor Wilfrid Brambell, the “dirty old man” of Steptoe and Son fame. One of two boys whom he abused in a back room at the Jersey Opera House in the Seventies was from Haut de la Garenne.
The States of Jersey Police have confirmed that an Haut de la Garenne resident had alleged abuse by Savile in the mid-Seventies during the 2008 inquiry, but said there had been insufficient evidence for an investigation to proceed. The authority has also confirmed that three more victims of Savile on Jersey have contacted them in recent days.
Carrie Modral, chair of the Jersey Care Leavers’ Association, a charity run by people who have spent time in care, says: “It’s good that the Savile scandal is making people think more about what happened here. But why have the States of Jersey only admitted it about Savile now? Because he’s dead and he can’t talk or bring down all the other big names. Their view would be that we, the survivors, keep going on about celebrities abusing kids at Haut de la Garenne, so OK, 'Here’s one, he’s dead and he can’t talk.’ But Savile was just the tip of the iceberg.”
Lenny Harper agrees: “Savile chose his victims with great care; vulnerable and often troubled youngsters many in care homes. If they complained they were labelled troublemakers, or brutally put down. We know from court cases and statements made to my team [during the 2008 inquiry] that children in Jersey care homes were 'loaned out’ to members of the yachting fraternity and other prominent citizens on the pretence of recreational trips but during which they were savagely abused and often raped.
“When these children complained they were beaten and locked in cellars [at Haut de la Garenne], which the Jersey authorities denied existed in 2008, but which can still be seen on YouTube footage. What chance did they have? This would have been the perfect hunting ground for Savile. The great and good of Jersey fawn over anyone with even loose connections to British royalty. Saville would have been a VIP to them and children would not have stood a dog’s chance of complaining about him. It would have been so easy for him.”
Rumours about abuse at Haut de la Garenne had been rife for years but, according to Harper, junior police officers who tried to help those making allegations were “thwarted by corrupt seniors”. He claims that the 2008 inquiry so infuriated and embarrassed Jersey’s establishment that a campaign was initiated to smear the lead officers and label them credulous and money-wasting.
The dig at the home was discredited, supposedly having found nothing, but even Harper’s critical successors in the investigation admit that at least three human bone fragments were found and children’s teeth, from between 10 and 65 children of all ages.
These have never been adequately explained, Harper says. “They were not from a long ago cemetery or all animal bones, but the bones proved impossible to date. One anthropologist said they were a couple of decades old, but another said they could not be dated. We’ll never know. They were definitely human and juvenile.”
Harper retired in autumn 2008, to help care for his daughter and her young family, after his Army officer son-in-law was killed in Afghanistan. His supportive boss, Chief Officer Graham Power, a former senior Met officer and recipient of the Queen’s Police Medal, was suspended in November 2008. Both officers were later investigated by outside forces, at Jersey’s instigation, but no evidence of misconduct was found.
Jersey’s former health minister, Stuart Syvret, who backed the victims and police in the 2008 investigation, was also sacked. He was imprisoned last year for publicising a serious allegation on another, unrelated matter which, for legal reasons, cannot be described.
Syvret told the Telegraph: “Jimmy Savile abused children in Jersey. I believed his victims. Just as I believe the two people who told me of child abuse by another TV personality [this week confirmed as Brambell] on Jersey from the Seventies. Just as I believed those who told me that the authorities of the day had ignored their complaints of years of abuse by others in Jersey’s children’s homes. Savile is dead, so why must we dig into the sorry and wretched details? Because the crucial feature of this case is not so much the individual crimes, as bad as they are, and as damaging for the victims; it is, instead, what I call the 'culture of cover‑up’.”
As a result of the fallout from the investigation into Haut de la Garenne, the public was left believing that Harper and his team had over-reacted to the abuse allegations. Yet seven former members of staff at the home have since been convicted of abuse, and to date compensation has been agreed for over 100 victims, with many more civil cases pending. Police had allegations against 150 individuals, many never adequately investigated – including Savile. There are at least four known victims of Savile from Jersey, and at least one disclosed their abuse to police in 2008, yet it is only now that their claims are being considered seriously.
Jersey Police have confirmed that one victim made accusations against Savile in 2008. But, for reasons that are still unclear, it is thought the allegations were not typed up into the statements seen by senior officers. It is believed that Savile denied ever having been to Haut de la Garenne and threatened to sue a newspaper for claiming that he visited the home.
Although the Metropolitan Police are co-ordinating inquiries across Britain into Savile’s alleged crimes, it is individual forces that are expected to examine them in detail. Carrie Modral says few of the victims trust Jersey’s police to do so. “That window of opportunity closed when the Jersey establishment got rid of the good cops,” she says.
It was a member of the Jersey Care Leavers’ Association who told police in 2008 that she was sexually abused at Haut de la Garenne by Savile. “The news about Savile has brought it all back, she is in great distress,” says Modral. “Savile visited regularly, not just Haut de la Garenne but other children’s homes on the island. He wasn’t the only visitor. The victim has named another household name who visited the home with Savile.”
She added: “I can tell you that two staff members who abused her at another home have been imprisoned, and the authorities have agreed financial compensation for her. But another man in a position of authority who regularly visited Haut de la Garenne and abused her there is still free and now employed in a responsible position by the state.”
Lenny Harper has confirmed to the Telegraph that he arrested this man for allegedly raping two other children at the home: “I gave a lot of information to the authorities about him, but he’s still employed by them in a senior position,” Harper says. “There were two solid allegations of rape against him that would have been proceeded with if it was in the UK. There was similar fact evidence. But Jersey’s Attorney General ruled that it was not.
“When we started the dig this man turned up and demanded access to the site. He allegedly wanted to get some stuff he’d left there years before. Yet this man’s name aroused more fear in the victims than any other in the inquiry.”
Ms Modral agreed: “He was no holds barred. And I have been told he made it clear he had friends and felt he would be protected. If he goes down he will bring down the government [in Jersey], because of what he knows about other people. The press needs now to look at all the other big name visitors to the home.”
What Savile did to the victim was “horrible, but small beer” compared to what others did to her, says Modral. “Savile put her on his knee and got his hand up her skirt. Then he tried to touch her little sister, and she pulled her away when he started to cuddle her. She was already being abused at Haut de la Garenne by staff, so she knew what he would do. Imagine being so young yourself and trying to save your little sister. They were 11 and nine.”
Modral says she met Savile when he visited a youth club on the island. “It’s ridiculous that he said he was never here. He was always coming to the island to open charity walks, and [visit] the children’s home and children would go [to see him]. I didn’t like the man, I stayed well away, I found him frightening, just the look of him.”
Possible links are emerging between abuse in Jersey children’s homes and the earlier notorious Islington children’s homes paedophile ring. A key figure in the ring, Islington’s deputy children’s homes superintendent Nicholas Rabet, came from Jersey. He had worked there in childcare, and regularly took children from the north London council’s homes on camping trips to the island.
Rabet fled Britain after the press exposed him, but was charged in Thailand in 2006 with abusing 30 boys there, the youngest six. He killed himself before he could be tried. His ally, Neil Hocquart, killed himself in custody in Ely, Cambridgeshire, in 1991, after being found with hundreds of paedophile videos. He had grown up in care in Norfolk and was taken to Guernsey, where he became the “cabin boy” of a sea captain, before returning to Britain to recruit children for the paedophile ring. Karin Ward, who featured in the ITV documentary about Savile that sparked the current inquiries, has described being abused by the star during a camping trip from her Norfolk children’s home.
The former Jersey Chief Officer Graham Power says the fact that more than 100 victims on Jersey have now received out-of-court settlements and a significant number of civil cases are still pending illustrates the scale of the abuse. He says he understands why victims mistrust the local force to investigate the Savile allegations: “The scale of abuse that occurred in this small community was so great that it seems to be beyond doubt that persons in authority must have known something of what was taking place, and, from what we know so far, they appear to have done nothing to protect the children who were being abused in establishments operated by their own government. This is a matter which merits honest and independent examination.”
Alan Collins, a solicitor with Pannone, a legal firm specialising in abuse cases that is representing 58 of the victims, says initially all the focus was on Haut de la Garenne, its workers and management. “Jimmy Savile was a sideshow. I honestly couldn’t say how many have named Savile. But there were several people who named him, it was plural, not singular. All the allegations need to be looked at now en masse for similar fact evidence, because now we are seeing a bigger jigsaw. Each individual complaint makes more sense now. Savile is dead but others who abused them are not.”
The Attorney General, William Bailhache, issued a statement in June 2009 stating that two historic abuse investigations were dropped because of a lack of evidence. “Cases of this nature are often difficult. There is rarely any independent evidence, and often the cases come down to being the word of one person against another… A decision not to bring criminal proceedings does not necessarily mean that those who have made complaints are not believed. A decision not to prosecute means only that the Attorney General, having fully considered all of the available evidence and other information, has decided that an acquittal is more likely than a conviction.”

78 comments:

rico sorda said...


Committee of Enquiry a Timeline:

2008 - Early in the year, then Chief Minister Frank Walker, said there would be a Committee of Enquiry into the decades long child abuse in the Jersey Children Homes. This would take place after all the prosecutions had been completed. It was lodged in the states as R27/2008 and is reproduced below.




On the 1st of February 2011 the Council of Ministers lodged R8/2011

This is the report saying that the Council of Ministers (COM) believe it is no longer necessary to have a full Committee of Enquiry into the Historical Child Abuse Investigation.

What is quite staggering about the lodging of this report was firstly no consultation had taken place with the Jersey Care Leavers (JCLA) or Abuse Survivors not in the JCLA. Thirdly it was lodged as a report so it couldn't be debated in the States.

When I look back over these past years the only time anyone had the care and wellbeing of the Abuse Survivors as a top priority was when the States of Jersey Police (SOJP) was run by Graham Power and Lenny Harper.

Ask yourself this. Why have parts of our Government and Media made these two people out to be worse than the people who carried out horrific crimes against children? It Makes no sense to me.


Local Jersey Media haven't been asking any questions as to why the Committee of Enquiry has taken so long. Think about it. Why haven't the Local Media been demanding answers on such an important issue as a COI into decades long Child Abuse. Why haven't they been demanding answers of the Chief Minister? Is this not the very same culture that led to this abuse happening in the first place. What is there excuse for sitting back and letting this drag on and on.

rico sorda said...

During the lifetime of Operation Rectangle:

1,776 statements were taken.

9,874 documents were collated during the enquiry, with 4,620 exhibits seized.

533 offences were reported and recorded under the National Crime Recording Standards.1 Under these standards, one offence is recorded for either a single offence or series of similar offences against one victim by the same alleged offender.

Of the total of 533 offences, 274 were alleged sexual offences; 238 were offences of assault, ill-treatment or neglect, 17 were offences of Grave and Criminal Assault and there were four other offences.

315 offences were reported as being committed at Haut de la Garenne; 66 at other homes or institutions and 152 at places where children were fostered or in private addresses.

43% of all offences allegedly committed at Haut de la Garenne were sexual offences. 84% of all offences in foster care or private residences were sexual offences.

Eight people (seven men and one woman) have been charged and tried before the Courts in Jersey with seven successful prosecutions resulting from these cases.

The eight people were prosecuted for a total of 145 offences (27%).

As a result of the complaints received, 151 named offenders were identified, 41 other offenders were not identified.

A total of 192 individual victims were identified.

30 of the named offenders were identified as having died before the inquiry was undertaken.

rico sorda said...

Since early 2008, to the present day, we are still waiting for a committee of enquiry into decades long child abuse in the jersey care homes.

The Jersey Establishment don't want one.

The concealment and cover-up is still happening right here in Jersey.

Right under our nose - that is the big story. How did Savile get away with it? Well look right here and you will find all your answers.

rs

Anonymous said...

Today 3 articles in the local paper posted on a blog I will post 2 here for your readers. It is all about priorities.

http://therightofreply.blogspot.com/2012/10/states-liars-warned-to-be-more-carefull.html

And this.

http://therightofreply.blogspot.com/2012/10/crackerbarrel-bailhache-rides-again.html

Ian Evans said...

Jersey Bloggers stomping Government ass!!! :)

Anonymous said...

That covered a few of the bases didn't it.

We need UK police or G Power back out of retirement.

Williamson-Water-Down the ToRs of the COI does not seem too clever now does it ?

"Right under our nose - that is the big story. How did Savile get away with it? Well look right here and you will find all your answers." - or you could cling to the JEP line

Anonymous said...

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8521790/jerry-sandusky-accuser-speaks-publicly-1st-time

rico sorda said...

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8521790/jerry-sandusky-accuser-speaks-publicly-1st-time

rico sorda said...

My email to the Chief Minister of Jersey.

Never received a reply.

Jersey - the culture of concealment - the culture of fear. Jersey Bloggers worked through, and past, their scare tactics. We believe in a proper democracy, freedom of speech, and the desperately need the rule of law restored.

We don't have a separation of powers in Jersey. There is no separation between the Legislature and Judiciary. How Scary is that?

They still protect the perverted in Jersey


To: "i.gorst@gov.je"
Cc: Francis ; Montfort Tadier ; jon gripton ; Chris Rayner- Jersey ; Jersey Care Leavers Association

Sent: Friday, 28 September 2012, 6:43


Subject: Committee of Enquiry

Dear Chief Minister,

First simple question. How did Andrew Williamson get it so wrong? His Report was the size of an A4 sheet of paper with quite a few inaccuracies. This came about because he was asked to do the impossible. How was he expected to amend the Verita Report that had clearly didn't need amending.

Because some are scared in the 'COM' you have been left in a difficult situation.

And yet we are talking Child Abuse. Nothing more or nothing less, plain simple Child Abuse


My point is this Chief Minister. You will be solely judged on the proposition you lodge. This proposition must be so robust that not one single amendment needs to be lodged. Not one. I have a feeling that you will lodge a weak proposition and ask members to amend it. This can not be allowed to happen. I will urge all members not to amend it. The reason for this again is very simple. The States of Jersey and its conservative voting pattern is so obvious that the amendments would be voted out. You might disagree with this but I live in the land of reality. Certain members would assert a little pressure and we know what happens.

Look at the voting on a 'COI' into the resignation of Chris Swinson. 28 voted against. Says it all.


The Buck stops with you Chief Minister


No amendments


Kind Regards


Rico Sorda

Zoompad said...

"Harper retired in autumn 2008, to help care for his daughter and her young family, after his Army officer son-in-law was killed in Afghanistan."

I didn't know that, it might have been posted but I never saw it. I am so sorry to hear it. We can forget that police officers are human beings with families as well, not super humans.

On another note, I just want to urge people in authority who turned a blind eye to the abuse cover up until now to please come forward now and talk about stuff that you have sat on, perhaps out of fear that if you did that stuff you had done wrong would be uncovered. If you have done dodgy things whilst in public office and got money you shouldn't have had, well, that is wrong, obviously, but if fear of bad stuff like that being discovered is stopping you from disassociating yourself with the child abusers and murderers, please, just do the right thing, please, because there are still children being abused, the abuse won't stop until the ring is busted completly, please just do the right thing.

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

One can see Eileen Fairweather is going to have to apply for a NON EXISTENT travel/work visa if she wants to come to Jersey to follow up on her research.

What Ms Fairweather has written in this article could/should have been written by a local "journalist." But this is the calibre of our ONLY "news"paper and in comparison to the telegraph's reporting one might describe that of the Jersey Evening Post's as "Soft, Strong and Very LONG"

rico sorda said...

Why NO GRADWELL?

Where are you Mick?

This is the opportunity you have been waiting for. You can tell everyone now.

You are a.....


WHISTLEBLOWER"


Policeman who blew the whistle

Tuesday 10th January 2012, 3:00PM GMT.
Tweet

HOME Affairs Minister Ian Le Marquand has criticised Mick Gradwell, the detective who swept up the mess left in the wake of the historical child abuse inquiry, for leaking information to the press. Senator Le Marquand was right to do so, but it is only fair to ask why the detective felt compelled to spill the beans to the national media, notably the Daily Mail.
Mr Gradwell was brought in after the retirement of the deputy chief officer of the States police, Lenny Harper, to try to make sense of an inquiry which had dragged Jersey’s good name through the mud but had resulted in few prosecutions and no evidence whatsoever of the high-level conspiracies and cover-ups that some still continue to insist must have been at the heart of the matter. What his inquiries revealed clearly conflicted with the standards that he believed should characterise a properly conducted investigation into alleged crimes of the most serious nature.

Wrongly, he reached the conclusion that the botched business should receive the oxygen of publicity at the earliest possible moment. That he should have waited until the official report into the whole matter could be published is beyond question.

However, if Mr Gradwell’s timing was at fault as far as the dissemination of information was concerned, the findings of his inquiry remain as sound as they ever were. Criticism of his unprofessional handling of the information he gathered does not undermine the conclusions he was forced to draw from what he discovered relating to the chaotic search at Haut de la Garenne and to the resources that had been poured into the case. He quite correctly identified the frantic pursuit of forensic evidence that was never there and the profligate expenditure of public funds that ensued in that fruitless effort.

We might call Mr Gradwell a whistle-blower, though, it must be said, one who could have envisaged the legitimate means of publishing information which the public deserved to hear without resorting to whistle-blowing. If he deserves that label, it is ironic that those who are keenest to attack his approach and his findings are very eager to uphold the general principle of whistle-blowing – provided that it suits their agenda and their entrenched interpretation.. End


He is probably hanging out with David Rose somewhere..

Time catches them all up eventually

rs

Anonymous said...

Haha. Here's a related anonymous comment on Stuart's blog
Anonymous said...
Now we will see the international press coming to Jersey and think of all those Writer's Visa's they have to not print.
Friday, 19 October 2012 23:19:00 BST

Anonymous said...

Mick Gradwell is currently on tour with his fantastic magic show with his faithful assistant THE TOOTH FAIRY.

Micks magical tour includes vanishing concrete baths and vanishing collagen and his grand finale is where he himself disappears into a 7ft cellar!

rico sorda said...

The Minister for Home Affairs:

No. The first I was aware of an issue in relation to D/Supt Mick Gradwell was when he went public just before he left the Island and that was the first time. I viewed this as merely a continuation of that, he had already gone public with his views to the local press, radio. It is my understanding from David Warcup that Mick Gradwell, although he was asked very strongly not to do anything before he went, and not just by David Warcup, but I understand even by the Attorney General of the day, again this is hearsay, this is obviously what I have been told, that he had already pre-recorded interviews before he had left. So that is the first that I was aware of an issue, and then of course my staff picked up the Mail article and they did some excellent detective work, emailing, and then sent to me the consequences of that, which clearly pointed to Mick Gradwell. I have to say, when the issue came up again, I had completely forgotten about this, I had just totally forgotten about it. I had to look back and find the emails and then say: “Oh yes, now I do recall it”, because it was not that significant to me once I knew it was Mick Gradwell.

Thats the Jersey Home Affairs Minister, Senator, Ian Le Marquand.

Oh, He knew for quite a while that Mick Gradwell was leaking selective pieces of information to Daily Mail Journalist David Rose but it wasn't significant to him when he new it was Gradwell.

Yes, Gradwell, the establishment darling.

But what did our esteemed bungling Home Affairs Minister say about the courageous policeman who helped smash the veil of secrecy of decades long Child Abuse?

I will let you read the words of our HA Minister when referring to Lenny Harper in the States of Jersey


"The Deputy of St. Mary offers a statement made, apparently, by former Deputy Chief Officer, who he named in fact today as Mr. Harper, as being a reason to doubt that. Well, in my view, the opinion of that particular gentleman is hardly a credible source of information. This is the person who took colleagues on expensive outings to London, with expensive meals, which were totally unjustified in any way whatsoever. This particular officer, in my view, caused enormous problems in this Island, not just in this context, but in the context of the police force generally, and he is, in my opinion, an incompetent maverick and not in the least a credible person to be believed by this Assembly or anywhere else."

YOU SEE, THE SAVILE CULTURE IA ALIVE IN JERSEY.

We are still living under the culture of Secrecy and Toxicity

rs

rico sorda said...

Just read this posting on Jersey's very own bungling Home Affairs Minister.

http://ricosorda.blogspot.com/2011/03/senator-ilm-incompetent-mavrick.html

Ask yourself one simple question. "How the hell is he still a States Member?"

Is it incompetence or corruption in a public office?

or, is it a bit of both.

rs

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

"Micks magical tour includes vanishing concrete baths and vanishing collagen and his grand finale is where he himself disappears into a 7ft cellar!"

INDEED

Anonymous said...

I am sorry Rico, but i have to disagree with you about Verita Report, not needing changes. the big one for some of us is the " being COMPELLED" (meaning FORCED)to attend. After talking with the Chief minister this week what is written in report is we will basically get a Summons against us, and as Alan told me thursday we would be arrested under the law if we did not attend. Well i tell you now they will have to take me kicking & screaming if they make me go public, they will get nothing out of me, I have been through all that in Royal Court & I will not be made to go Public by anybody, so Verita are not right in everything, we are all entitled to our own wishes, espically us victims. If you want to go public that is yr right, if you want to go private that is yr choice. So sorry Rico you are wrong about Verita. It annoys me how all these people are telling us what we should do when they are not VICTIMS of ABUSE and have no idea how we feel and what we want.Let us make our own decisions.

rico sorda said...

Don't feel sorry. I agree with you. I don't believe anyone should be compelled to attend a Committee of Enquiry. I believe. unlike the ruling elite, that there should be one. Many survivors of Abuse in the Jersey Care System have not seen any justice what so ever. This abuse, as you know, spans decades and family generations.

Just by chance. Did you ask Senator Gorst why he is tragically failing abuse survivors as he never answers my enquiries.

I believe in the Verita Report that giving evidence can be done in private. Let me explain why we have the problem. The problem that is causing distress.

Verita was not the Holy Grail - it never was. It became the Holy Grail when the Jersey Council of Cover-ups decided that it was to revealing and needed diluting. This is what caused the problem. Something like Verita was a starting block not the finished article.

But unless their is a robust enquiry children in Jersey might never be safe.

The Enquiry is for these people in no particular order.

The people who suffered abuse

The people in charge of the Homes

The Staff That worked in the homes

All the agencies in charge of the homes

The political bodies in charge of the Homes

Including Foster Care

I find it sad in such wide spread abuse as we have that such a minuscule amount of people achieved justice.

"So sorry Rico you are wrong about Verita. It annoys me how all these people are telling us what we should do when they are not VICTIMS of ABUSE and have no idea how we feel and what we want.Let us make our own decisions."

Im not sure about the above comment. Are you saying that it should only be abuse survivors sitting on a committee of enquiry?

I agree with what you say.

Its not easy.

Justice came because good people who have never suffered abuse decided enough was enough.

rs

Anonymous said...

Hi Rico, please don't get me wrong, you know I am forever grateful for everything you & neil do for us. But I do not appreciate the JCLA stating to Gorst that they demanded the Willaimson report scrapped, who the hell do they think they are, they have no right to say that, as it is hard to get thru that they only represent some of victims. we had a very good meeting with Gorst and got a lot of answers, but we did not go in their demanding stuff, we got what we needed to know, we have had many meetings with States members & more to come. What I meent by that comment Rico you made the comment "How was he expected to amend the Verita Report that clearly didn't need amending".
And as I stated it does need amending as you agreed "Compelled" should not be in the Verita report.

Anonymous said...

Any idea who this is? What was he trying to conceal?


"When we started the dig this man turned up and demanded access to the site. He allegedly wanted to get some stuff he’d left there years before. Yet this man’s name aroused more fear in the victims than any other in the inquiry.”

Anonymous said...

I can only try one's best to understand how victimhood of these kinds of abuses can leave a person. Some things can leave such a pain that Pandora's box lid must remain firmly shut. There was a documentary on the war in the Pacific during WWII whereby this ex US Sailor recounted an untold tragic incident. The emotions were just too great for him.

Could it not be the case that abuse survivors who are willing to testify are invited, yet those in a position of 'authority' are 'summonsed'?

I know that we are in general agreement that the TOR from Verita should not be amended ... but ....

The Beano is not the Rag

rico sorda said...

Any idea who this is? What was he trying to conceal?


"When we started the dig this man turned up and demanded access to the site. He allegedly wanted to get some stuff he’d left there years before. Yet this man’s name aroused more fear in the victims than any other in the inquiry.”

DW - the man who is involved in the Super -Injunction against Stuart Syvret.

Yes, I know, couldn't make it up

rs

rico sorda said...

I did say I agreed with you. I don't think Verita was perfect but it was better than the utter complete tosh offered up by Andrew Williamson.

This is very important. And I hope you can explain to my readers something you might have the answer to.

I have failed to get an answer from Senator Gorst as to why it has taken 4yrs to bring a Committee of Enquiry and even now he can't achieve it?

The most important answer to the most important question to Chief Minister Gorst is " Why have your Council of Ministers and the previous incumbents failed the victims of abuse. The COI was passed on March Ist 2011 we are now in October 2012 and nothing absolute nothing. Why have you failed and for what reason"

Are you able to tell us?

Chief Minister Gorst must bring the proposition to the States. That means he can take 'compelled' out in his TOR's - its that simple.

Remember this. Chief Gorst is not the power. I don't mean that in any condescending way.

rs

Anonymous said...

"Hi Rico, please don't get me wrong, you know I am forever grateful for everything you & neil do for us. But I do not appreciate the JCLA stating to Gorst that they demanded the Willaimson report scrapped, who the hell do they think they are, they have no right to say that, as it is hard to get thru that they only represent some of victims"

Williamson is conflicted and should never have been approached to submit a report in th first place and JCLA were right to ask him to remove it. He is an "our chaps" man, his report was deeply flawed and as someone said recently, his report could have been written on the back of a fag packet whilst sitting in a pub eating a ham sandwiche and drinking pint!

No victim should be forced to give evidence, it must be their own choice to come forward but, for those accused especially those that are still employed by the SOJ, they should be forced to come forward and explain their actions against defenceless little children. A lot of victims have never seen justice and this is their only hope.

Anonymous said...

People are reading Verita wrong. A ctte of Inquiry by its nature can compel witnesses, but does not have to do so. It is the quid pro quo of having limited privilege.
It is not the victims and survivors that will need to be compelled to give evidence. Those who have much to lose will need to be dragged kicking and screaming to explain their (in)actions

GeeGee said...

'Well i tell you now they will have to take me kicking & screaming if they make me go public, they will get nothing out of me, I have been through all that in Royal Court & I will not be made to go Public by anybody, so Verita are not right in everything, we are all entitled to our own wishes, espically us victims.'

Sorry Anonymous, but you have obviously had your day in Court and seen justice done. Lest you forget the majority of victims of the most obscene abuse have not been afforded that opportunity at all, nor have their compensation claims been finalised yet.

It would be less selfish of you to consider these victims, who still want the chance to 'have their say' in public, and your evidence could only help the Inquiry and all victims get this closure via the process of Verita, and not the weakness and watered down Williamson.

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

You just know the JEP and the rest of the island's State Media will be working overtime this weekend to come up with something (again) to ridicule Lenny Harper and the Abuse investigation.

Probably LH treated Police Officers to a MacDonald's when a picnic would have been cheaper #priceless #predictable.

Possibly time to wheel out "Magic" Mick Gradwell......The disappearing whistle-blower!

Anonymous said...

People are reading Verita wrong. A ctte of Inquiry by its nature can compel witnesses, but does not have to do so. It is the quid pro quo of having limited privilege.
It is not the victims and survivors that will need to be compelled to give evidence. Those who have much to lose will need to be dragged kicking and screaming to explain their (in)actions.....

Why didn't the Chief Minister explain this to the Abuse Survivors that went to see him. Why haven't the lawyers advised the abuse survivors about this. Is it just the norm or is it in Jersey that everything seems so messed up....

Anonymous said...

"and as Alan told me thursday we would be arrested under the law if we did not attend."

This is simply not true. No victim of abuse will be forced to give evidence, only those that have been acused or were responsible at the time. Whoever this Alan is, he is wrong, the CM has already stated that only those that want to come forward and give efidence can do so. Verita's report clearly states that not many victims will want to give evidence, only those who were responsible will be "compelled" to come forward.

Anonymous said...

Gee Gee, please let me put you right on a few points of you comments below.

Sorry Anonymous, but you have obviously had your day in Court and seen justice done.
JUST BECAUSE I HAD MY DAY IN COURT DOES NOT MEAN I HAVE SEEN JUSTICE.

Lest you forget the majority of victims of the most obscene abuse have not been afforded that opportunity at all, nor have their compensation claims been finalised yet.
AND WHO SAYS I HAVE HAD MY COMPENSATION!!! AND I NEVER SAID THEY DO NOT DESERVE THEIR OPPURTUNITY!!!!!

It would be less selfish of you to consider these victims, who still want the chance to 'have their say' in public,
GEE!! GEE! (JCLA) YOU HAVE 38 MEMBERS WHICH IS A SMALL MAJORITY, AND BELIEVE ME THE VICTIMS I KNOW DON'T WANT TO GO PUBLIC, THAT IS WHY I STATED THEY SHOULD HAVE A CHOICE OF GOING PUBLIC OR PRIVATE.

your evidence could only help the Inquiry and all victims get this closure via the process of Verita, and not the weakness and watered down Williamson.

YES MY EVIDENCE WILL HELP, BUT I AM ENTITLED TO SAY IF I WANT TO GO PUBLIC OR PRIVATE, AS DO ALL THE VICTIMS, AND NOT HAVE PEOPLE TELLING GORST THEY WANT THE WILLAIMSON REPORT SCRAPPED YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO STATE THAT, AS YOU R NOT THE VOICE FOR US.

AND SORRY BUT YOU ARE NOY RIGHT REGARDING WHAT YOU STATED REGADING THE (COMPELLED) WELL OBVIOUSLY MY LAWYER IS WRONG AND YOU ARE RIGHT!!! MMMMMMMMM!!!!!

Anonymous said...

@VFC

A friend of mine mingles in the "high strata" circles frequented by many that I would expect may have a lot to lose with a genuine COI.

My friend was briefed that there was a disciplinary action going on behind the scenes over Lenny. It was explained that Lenny was seeking to maintain the remainder of his career when he went public with the HdLG investigation. In effect it was being used as a smoke screen to ensure that he maintained his pension.

One kids one not. Their desperation has surely set in.


The Beano is not the Rag

Anonymous said...

The reason abuse survivors are examining and debating the nature of their COI participation here on this blog is because they were not initially invited to supervise the development of the Terms of Reference. They may have been consulted here and there, but not made at all instrumental by Williamson, as they should have been. The solution lies with a refining of the robust T.O.R.'s of Verita, in consultation with and deference to the survivors over the matter of compelling witnesses.

Mark Forskitt said...

Anonymous is right I think about the committee of Inquiry, and ability to summons ie compel in general.

See
http://www.jerseylaw.je/Law/lawsinforce%2Fhtm%2FROFiles%2FR&OYear2007%2FR&O-090-2007.pdf

2.1.c is also important - where it would be appropriate to do so, having regard to the nature
of the evidence or any document, undertake to receive the evidence
or document in confidence.


Anonymous said...

I hope the government did not present some abuse survivors with a false dilemma, creating fear that Verita would drag them kicking and screaming into the limelight. Nothing in the Verita recommendations indicates that could happen, but alas, Verita won't be invited to come back and answer those questions. It all sounds like a tired excuse to slip Our Chap "Willing" Williamson back into the whitewash role he has proved capable of.

rico sorda said...

Anon,

I will have an answer about the "compelled" issues sometime soon.

It looks like you might have been advised wrongly or miss interpreted the advice. I will try and find this out.

This is not a fight club forum

All sides need to calm down and work together.

The only ones laughing are the ones who committed the abuse and got away with it.

Unity is what is required

The one thing we can be sure about and this is evidently obvious is Williamson's report was a crock of cr*p and should have been laughed out of town.

I will find out

rs

Anonymous said...

I am sympathetic to the fears and needs of all the abuse survivors, and I think in their position, it would be hard to trust anyone, from lawyers, to statutes, to (especially) government assurances regarding this possible COI.

The fact that these assurances about compelling victim testimony is on this blog for discussion suggests the concealment wing of the government has tried to use it as a divisive issue between the survivors. The answer lies with an explanation from Verita, not with a desperate choice to embrace a demonstrably flawed and essentially worthless Williamson Charade.

rico sorda said...

Lenny Harper will be live on BBC Radio Jersey tomorrow morning at 8am

Anonymous said...

Comment 12-31.

This person's initials are D.W.

Anonymous said...

It stands to reason that those untouchable SOJ employees still employed on big salaries are desperate to have their day in court. To finally get rid of the burdon they are carrying....

For some it is visibly showing!?

GeeGee said...

Food for thought. I have just read this very interesting article which I think most of your readers can identify with Rico.

'Those who presently control the world come from a long line of tyrants who used to use this method of murder to place fear in the hearts of the peasants. They still have the same mindset but use different methods of chemically lobotomizing dissenters in psychiatric gulags and away from the view of the peasants who rose up against their tyranny.

There are many people wondering where we are all heading , disturbed and in fear of a world now seemingly locked in chaos. If you analysis what is actually going on it is a battle by the peasantry to stamp out the hold the ruling elite have had over us all for far to long.

The world's self appointed ruling mafia are now struggling, thanks to spread of global information , to contain the masses that they controlled so easily prior to the awakening of anyone who had already started to work out why we have reached a crossroads in mankind's future. These evil masters made the FATAL mistake of using their control system to target individuals with the intellect that they would normally use to help prop up their evil enslavement system, when instead they ignored the fact their victims would have the platforms that had not been available in the dim and distant past.

The greed of the ultra rich has been so EXTREME they thought they could target anyone they chose, with those intelligent enough to prosper and who would have accumulated sufficient wealth to make them worthwhile targets. That was their fatal mistake in that instead of those with the ability to fathom out what was going on being kept on side they have dramatically shifted the goalposts to their enormous disadvantage in that some of the best minds are now helping unravel their system to ensure everyone who has been a target of these evil bastards can become better aware of how they have managed for centuries to keep us all and our forefathers in perpetual deference to the utter scum and dregs of the earth.

We are maybe the first generation to have the ability to be fully enlightened in the methods of mass control that had been deliberately limited by the ruling elite having total control of all those areas required to educate the masses on their tricks of the trade. The back has been broken of their methods and madness that they thought could indefinitely fool the citizens of the world with their scams . We maybe have to struggle through the pitfalls and traps being laid by these scum and their henchmen but there is no doubt their systems are failing and will ultimately be destroyed. They can no longer exploit the world's population who are now en masse rising up in waves of protest right across the globe.

They better make sure their crumbling empires are secured as those responsible for mass murder and rape across the globe are being brought out into the open and into the full glare of the world via the internet like never before. The BBC and the recent exposures of Jimmy Savile and the vile crimes he committed against children , while living a life of vast opulence paid for by the long suffering public, will ensure they will all 'IN TIME' get their day. The evil BBC hierarchy who provide the ruling mafia's propaganda are now having to watch their backs for the knock at the door. Those who were all part of a system that allowed predatory paedophile's to act with impunity are now being exposed thanks to the initial efforts of internet bloggers and only now being picked up by their complicit compliant media that had classed Savile as some sort of 'HERO'. Their SYSTEM is being forced to act against the very protection that previously allowed the Savile's of this world to get away with murder. The evil bastards that were party to Savile's crimes will not be sleeping so soundly in their beds in the knowledge that god works in mysterious ways and in time they will ALL DEFINITELY GET THEIR DAY that we will make damn sure of'.

Anonymous said...

It should be up to the Abuse Survivors if they want to give evidence at any future committee of enquiry. Wether this is in public or in private it should be there choice.

The land lies differently for anybody who worked in the care homes during this time. I believe they should be compelled to attend. What did they know? What did they see? Did they report their concerns? etc etc

Anonymous said...

GeeGee, your comment makes a good case for us to give our highest priority to protecting our internet freedoms. The Jersey abuse scandal, and Stuart's situation have convinced me the internet freedoms we enjoy now cannot be taken for granted. For all its shortcomings, our unfettered access to the internet is our only counterbalance against tyranny in an age when the mainstream media outlets have been all but neutered by special interests. I fear for the causes dear to me, such as the rights of children, investigative journalism, social justice, and democracy if we do not protect the independence of our greatest information source.

Elle

Anonymous said...

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/...nitiative-uk-2000#S6CV0101P0_19860714_HOC_197

Mr. Allan Roberts (Bootle)
Is the Minister aware that his Government are turning tragedy into farce? They have handed over their responsibility for foreign aid to Bob Geldof and cut foreign aid dramatically. They have handed over part of their responsibility for the National Health Service to Jimmy Savile, and are handing local responsibility for collecting refuse to Mr. Branson to cut the money needed for street cleaning. May we have an assurance that the Government do not intend to hand over responsibility for law and order to Perry Mason, to Kojak or to Boy George? Does the Minister realise that these ridiculous palliatives will be recognised for what they are by the British people?

Anonymous said...

Wow well that's what I call an article,it must have ruined several
peoples weekends. Those people who have lied, prevaricated and covered up should be understandably anxious.There is a saying give them enough rope and they will hang themselves,now thanks to Rico,VFC,Trevor and others we have a track record that these people will have dificulty of wriggling out of.They know who they are and so do we!

thejerseyway said...

Hi Rico.

Just put up the interview from this morning of Mr Harper.

You & your readers can Listen HERE

TJW.

Anonymous said...

We’ve seen and heard well considered and evidenced information from Messrs Power and Harper over the last few years. These two have also been interviewed in relation to the “Tip of the Iceberg” piece in the Telegraph yesterday. Also Mr Harper on BBC Radio Jersey this morning. Indeed, the BBC is in possession of a 90 page document prepared by Mr Power for the Wiltshire investigation.
I wonder if the Telegraph reporter and other interested media are seeking the views of Mick Gradwell? I understand that he has become an expert for hire by the media on such matters recently in the UK so he must surely be asked to provide his considered and evidenced views. Perhaps some bold reported might ask him to explain just what his role was as the SIO following Mr Harper’s retirement. He might also be asked to provide some rather belated evidence for his departing comments in which he poured scorn over the conduct of the abuse investigation under Messrs Harper and Power. Perhaps he could also provide a coherent evaluation of his achievements as SIO so that he can explain clearly to all of us how he turned what he I believe called a shambles into a professional investigation. Oh, and lest I forget, perhaps he could explain why he thought that it was part of his role as the SIO to leak sensitive information to local media and to the UK journalist (and self- proclaimed sometime MI6 officer) David Rose.
This is no time to hide your light under a bushel Mr Gradwell. Go on – have your moment of glory!

Rob Kent said...

Internet freedoms are being taken away all over the world by governments of all persuasions.

They are using a variety of measures, technical and legal. The technical ones are designed to stop people accessing or even knowing that certain sites exist. The legal ones are used to remove information or to intimidate people from posting in the first place.

Leaving aside the obvious tyrannies, 'liberal' countries such as Australia, US, and Britain operate formal or informal firewalls that block citizens access to proscribed sites.

Although these lists were ostensibly designed to stop access to 'illegal material', WikiLeaks released the Australian blacklist and it was found to contain political sites and ones discussing euthanasia or abortion.

You can be damn sure that if Jersey had had such technology in 2008, the Stuart Syvret site would have been blocked.

If you are interested in defending Internet freedom, see the Electronic Freedom Foundation.

Oh, and be alarmed when a British MP tells you that one of your bloggers is subject to a super-injunction!

Anybody else noticed how quiet Stuart Syvret's blog has been lately.

Rob Kent said...

It must be very galling for Le Marquand (not to say, the shy Mr Gradwell) to hear somebody he has described as 'not a credible witness' setting the agenda on the mainstream media.

Anonymous said...

"When we started the dig this man turned up and demanded access to the site. He allegedly wanted to get some stuff he’d left there years before. Yet this man’s name aroused more fear in the victims than any other in the inquiry.”

Could this be the same man who has an office at social services alongside senior managers where he recieves a salary in excess of £60,000 for doing what exactly?. what it says is that social services have their priorities wrong.

rico sorda said...

“When we started the dig this man turned up and demanded access to the site. He allegedly wanted to get some stuff he’d left there years before. Yet this man’s name aroused more fear in the victims than any other in the inquiry.”

Lenny, can you also confirm that Deputy Pryke also turned up at the gates of HdelaG and you had to send her on her way?

rs

Anonymous said...

He looks as though he has a stressful job for his 60 grand....

Because he always looks stressed out!?

Anonymous said...

Rico, yes this is DW who is still employed and yes Mrs Pryke turned up at HDLG demanding access and updates. I sent her packing because of the info I had about her former husband and she complained to Frank Walker. He demanded that she be accommodated and I told him to go away also. Lenny

Ian Evans said...

Dissecting the CORRUPTION piece by piece!

Anonymous said...

Ok. We know ( Pryke's husband) which accounts for her concern.

But it makes you wonder why Perchard and Shenton were/are so worried?


Hi Anon,

I had to edit your comment or I couldn't publish it.

rs

Anonymous said...

Unon @ 9:28 Ben Shenton may have his own skeletons, but perhaps this re-post might partly answer your question

------------------------------------------------

......and deceased Jersey Senator Wilfred Krichefsky (the "Fat Man" who would come to HDLG with his friend to abuse boys)

Wilfred Krichefsky may be one of the linchpins in the child abuse disaster
Amongst his roles was president of the Defence Committee (i.e. head of the POLICE ?)
(Same as Dick Shenton, Ben Shenton's daddy [ridicule the "Lenny Henry" enquiry Ben.....])

Wilfred Krichefsky was also CTV - Channel TV's first managing director - Strange that CTV didn't mention that in their ha ha "Award Winning Journalism" programme which was just a presentation of Gradwell's illegal and now discredited leaks from the LIVE child abuse enquiry.

------------------------------------------------

P.S.
Gradwell's Gardening tip for autumn: Feed your David Rose with horsesh!t.........

Anonymous said...

It never ceases to amaze me how tight a tax haven can be towards its own plebs.

Band -Description -Range
1 -Physical and/or sexual abuse -Up to £10,000

2 Aggravated physical and/or sexual abuse -£10,000-£20,000

3 Rape and/or prolonged aggravated physical and/or sexual abuse: standard bracket -£15,000-£35,000

4 Rape and/or prolonged aggravated physical and/or sexual abuse: upper bracket -£25,000-£60,000

http://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/D%20HistoricAbuseRedressSchemePaper%20MC%2028032012.pdf

Anonymous said...

I’ve been told by a reliable source that the BBC Trust will be discussing the conduct of BBC Jersey during a meeting to be held in London this week. I understand Graham Power’s statement is a key criterion on the list and that the complaint had elevated to Trust level before the Savile revelations. I’ll post more information when I get more.

This sounds encouraging. Has anyone else heard about this?

Zoompad said...

"Rico, yes this is DW who is still employed"

Who is DW?

Zoompad said...

Sorry, I know who you mean now, David Warcup.

Zoompad said...

Please don't let the victims of Haut de la Garenne be gagged and booted into the long grass and silenced as the victims of Staffordshire Pindown have been. I don't want anyone else to feel that horrible loneliness and fear that I have felt this long 40 years of trying to tell people what happened.

They wouldn't even let me have a copy of the Pindown report, and they have whisked it out of the local libraries.

If it wasn't for bloggers such as Stuart and Rico they would have covered all what happened at Haut de la Garenne by now, and the horrible stuff that Jimmy Savile would have been covered up as well.

I have always wanted to speak out about the Pindown abuse, especially when I found out that Richard Wise was having to get abuse survivors out of prison because they had been deliberatly criminalised, and when I found that out a lot of the horrible stuff that happened to me when I went to see my GP, the nasty way I was treated started to make sense, especially the stuff about Lolita they had put into my medical notes.

Please don't let them silence the victims. They will if they can get away with it, and they will lie and say that the victims didnt want to have a voice, just as Lord Falconer said that it was the children who wanted the secret family courts to stay secret, when he did a pretend survey of childrens views about the secret family courts, but I dont think any real children were asked their point of view at all

Anonymous said...

Zoompad I believe the person named in UK parliament in respect of the super injunction is a D Wherry

Anonymous said...

Zoompad said...

"Rico, yes this is DW who is still employed" Who is DW?"

AND "Sorry, I know who you mean now, David Warcup."

==================

NO ! not David Warcup. But let's not put Rico in Jail (like Stuart Syvret was)

David Warcup is a waste of space and a disgrace to the force - an incontinent police dog on the Le Marquand/Bailhache lead.
Sit! Beg!, Roll Over!

John Hemming could [try to] tell you who DW is, but only under Parliamentary Privilege.

But enough of that. Let us celebrate the release of an erect member of our community:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1285288.ece

He "spent more than 20 years as a social worker dealing with children on the Channel Island after quitting as a cop. He also volunteered at the care home."

It is deeply touching that there are members of our community who have given of their time to ensure that our most vulnerable children are properly seen to, so to speak.

It is quite understandable that our government should want to keep these people in highly paid employment within children's services and that the government should spend unlimited amounts of taxpayer's money protecting them lest they should inadvertently divulge which other [even more shy] volunteers gave their "undivided attention" to children with no thought of reward or gratification.

I know that Mr.Bailhache would agree with me, that to question such things would be just plain barking or even unpatriotic and unhelpful to the goal or fallback position of declaring UDI to avoid unwanted oversight by the UK.
Which is the only thing which will save us...........

Dream on .......... and sleep well.

Changing the subject again. Do the people at the top also have insurance policies ?
And will they work ?

Islanders must remember to always be polite. And if they meet any of these people personally, do not forget to thank (to the point of embarrassment) them for what they have done to our island with no thought of reward beyond the love of their grateful people, from the oldest to the youngest.

Clean properly and you only have to clean once.
From the highest officer to the lowest Blackshirt or troll.

Don't miss Panorama tonight.

What is a Super Dysfunction BTW ?
Whatever it is, presumably Panorama must also bend to it's will ?

Anonymous said...

"What is a Super Dysfunction BTW ? Whatever it is, presumably [BBC]Panorama must also bend to it's will ? "

presumably Panorama must also bend to it's will and NOT reveal all (YET) ............

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

An exclusive interview with former SIO LENNY HARPER.

Ian Evans said...

The dissection of a criminal system PART 2

rico sorda said...

The broadcast on the main page is from sitting Politician Deputy T.Pitman.

He is fighting for some truth, honesty and integrity in Jersey.

rs

rico sorda said...

For people who are clicking on from overseas. should explain that we are just citizen investigators doing the job our obvious State Media can't.

Here is our blog tv channel where we interview some decent politicians .

http://www.blogtv.com/people/voiceforchildren

RS

Anonymous said...

Read this Revealing article shows how Child abuse has been covered up for years and is still being covered up by the British Government , the Establishment and British Police.

http://google-law.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/andrea-davison-jimmy-savile-serco-and.html

zoompad said...

"John Hemming could [try to] tell you who DW is, but only under Parliamentary Privilege."

Don't get me started on him, I am trying to keep myself from busting a fuse these days!

Anyway, I know who DW is now, because I found Stuarts blog post of Thursday 12th June 2008:

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fstuartsyvret.blogspot.com%2F2008%2F06%2Fthings-fall-apart-centre-cannot-hold.html&ei=ylOGUJKvA6iq0AWk8IHICg&usg=AFQjCNHvCh55TSBLao60AJol7jsNy4P4Pw&sig2=BFV7R7I55gX1zcxu8jVQFg

I am going to go onto Stuarts blog again now and have another nag at him to write that book, because I really think his blog (and yours as well Rico) should be published in book form. the information on it is much too important to be just on a blog, it needs to be available to as many people as possible, as should the Pindown report and other institutional child abuse reports as well

zoompad said...

"John Hemming could [try to] tell you who DW is, but only under Parliamentary Privilege."

Don't get me started on him, I am trying to keep myself from busting a fuse these days!

Anyway, I know who DW is now, because I found Stuarts blog post of Thursday 12th June 2008:

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fstuartsyvret.blogspot.com%2F2008%2F06%2Fthings-fall-apart-centre-cannot-hold.html&ei=ylOGUJKvA6iq0AWk8IHICg&usg=AFQjCNHvCh55TSBLao60AJol7jsNy4P4Pw&sig2=BFV7R7I55gX1zcxu8jVQFg

I am going to go onto Stuarts blog again now and have another nag at him to write that book, because I really think his blog (and yours as well Rico) should be published in book form. the information on it is much too important to be just on a blog, it needs to be available to as many people as possible, as should the Pindown report and other institutional child abuse reports as well

Anonymous said...

From Zoompad's that blog posting a commentator writes:

"TonyB said...

Just to mention, the information naming Danny Wherry is public domain - the Mirror and the Sun both carry the story in their online and print editions.
Friday, 13 June 2008 15:27:00 BST"

I don't know in what context this person's name was been named but as it is now public via the UK's media then are those media outlets going to be served with a tax payer funded gagging order too?


The Beano is not the Rag

Anonymous said...

Is he seriously going to write a book when there are people currently taking him to Court and can he afford it? Use your heads, if there was nothing libellous on his Blog then a UK tabloid would have offered him a book deal friggin years ago and nobody would be seeking Court action against him.

Anonymous said...

" if there was nothing libellous on his Blog then a UK tabloid would have offered him a book deal friggin years ago"

They may have, but have been waiting for the more dramatic later chapters.

However, if there was anything libellous in Stuart's blog, I am absolutely sure anyone who felt that way would have wanted to clear their name by now!!

Not a peep, which tells me it is the truth.

Anonymous said...

The idea there would NOT be books written about this is beyond ludicrous. There are already multiple books in the works regardless of what Stuart Syvret does. Where someone may attempt to ban them is the only question, but that banning business has a tendency to backfire.

Ian Evans said...

No more COMPLAINTS TAKEN on Bowron's watch?

thejerseyway said...

Hi Rico.

Just put up Questions without Answers from today.

You & your readers can Listen HERE


TJW.

voiceforchildren said...

Rico.

Part two of Exclusive interview with former SIO LENNY HARPER